Mary Harrington - Why are so many transgender prisoners sex offenders?

[RebelliousCow]

https://open.substack.com/pub/reactionaryfeminist/p/how-many-sex-offenders?r=clsg2&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

Any prisoner can have halal food. You don't have to become a Muslim to eat their food in prison.
Men pretend to transgender in prison because they do get treated differently. They get new womens pants and hair products and make up bought for them - albeit cheap stuff. And yes, they are quite often, sex offenders.

There was an increase in the number of prisoners claiming to be Jewish a few years ago, because they got better food.

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/scottish-prisons-clamp-down-inmates-prisoners-convert-judaism-jewish-kosher-food-orange-new-black-1.486682

Yes I’m intrigued where the feeling of “gender” (that they call Gender Identity) originate from if not from the brain? Isn’t the whole premise of gender ideology that the brain is the primary gendered organ and dictates whether or not you are male or female / man or woman.

@Bosky
Your assertions have zero credibility unless you cite supporting evidence and, correct me if I am wrong, but so far you expect us to take your word as gospel.

Credibility is not something I need to prove to you. I’m not fussed that you are clinging to studies from 43yrs ago and refuse to acknowledge almost a half century of progress in this area of study. That’s your choice if you think science has gone on a bender. I have no such expectation that you or anyone take my word as gospel because it’s not my word and this isn’t a religious issue to me..it may be to you as biological essentialism is a faith system, and if so, I respect that.

It is a bizarre claim that the legal and justice system does not recognise culpability and mitigation

I made no such claim. In fact I said the opposite. Your detailed post does not contain one factor regarding culpability or it’s mitigation for ‘raging man hormones made him do it’ or similar.

The mere fact we have civilisation is evidence we are not animals who have no self awareness and merely follow instinctual patterns of behaviour.

It’s not at all an incredible claim that humans are not cats or other animals.

@IamAporcupine
“If you do not think this (ie the increased aggression and sex drive in transmen) is the effect of testosterone - are you saying that, over two/three decades of socialisation as a female can be changed by 6 months of 'socialisation as male'? Or are you just saying that it is a placebo effect?”

No. Because international studies have shown that FtM retain the female patterns of criminal offending. So all the testosterone they take has no impact on their propensity for violent criminal acts. Posters have made much of less than 100 transmen who transitioned pre1989 in one country, Sweden, having slightly higher criminal offending than their same sex (female) controls which was still well, well below the male rate of offending. The authors themselves stated it was lack of societal support post transition pre1989 that was the likely clause of this early blip in the data. This same Swedish study showed post 1989 all FtM transmen retained the female patterns and rates of criminal offending.

So, that brings me to the idea that adults who transition get the socialisation of the opposite sex. They don’t. They really really don’t. Men do not get socialised as if they were female even after they surgically go from MtF transwomen. What they get is the socialisation for transwomen. Society doesn’t view transwomen as female and certainly not the same as women.

So to reply to both of you at once.
There is no such thing as a male or female brain when it comes to biological differences.

Things like identity, personality, beliefs/faith and so on to include the belief in the concept of gender and feelings of gender are individual.

Why we are who we are…despite all being humans with the same physiology…is the subject of much philosophical debate. Are infants blank slates and therefore their identity and personality is a result of the sum of all their early life experiences? Or is there a spirit or soul type of energy to our consciousness that for lack of better word inhabits the body and that is the source?

I don’t know all of gender ideology, much of it I view as a new sort of religion or faith. But yes, if they think the brain is gendered that is not possible. Minds can be gendered, but the brain as in the organ is not.

I have no issue with people being transgender and wanting to live as the opposite sex. That’s not the issue. The issue to my mind is predators pretending to be transgender when they are not to secure preferential treatment. It’s the wolf in sheep’s clothing phenomenon that I suspect is going on with the current spate of sex offender convictions of mostly paedophiles deciding post arrest they are trans. It’s too convenient, too coincidental, and is a departure from the studies on criminal offending.

I think self-ID is driving it to be honest. I know it’s a real pain in the arse for transgender people to transition and many activists want self-ID but I think sorry convenience for any group (transgender) should not outweigh the safety of any other group (women and children). It’s a greater good question.

I took the essential premise of Mary Harrington's article to be that numerically there is no doubt that trans women are over represented in prison compared to every other gender. Furthermore, an extremely high proportion of trans women prisoners have been charged or are on remand for sex offences. Despite this extreme over representation, no funded research has explored why this should be the case.

She goes on to argue that people have hypothesised why this difference exists but it's considered either too unimportant or too controversial to get funded.

It would actually be quite simple to research this topic in ways that would provide some useful answers. For instance, how many transgender prisoners have been convicted of sex offences as men before they transitioned? How many have ever engaged in sex work before their current offence? How many receive custodial and non custodial sentences?

There we are - a whole research programme a lot of which could be undertaken using analysis of existing data.

You're so naive.

How does one 'fake being TW'? Being trans is no longer classified as a mental illness, so no court-appointed psychologist is going to assess any males claiming to be trans after arrest. There's nothing to assess, it's officially not a diagnosis.

https://nicic.gov/weblink/being-transgender-no-longer-mental-disorder-apa-2012#:~:text=Transgender%20people%20will%20now%20be,more%20than%2020%20years%20ago.

Anyone who says they're trans, is trans. That's the criteria. And suggesting it is something which can or should be diagnosed is transphobic. Congratulations, you're a TERF.

There is no skewing of figures. How can there be? Every man who claims to be trans upon arrest and desists upon release is trans, because the only criteria to being trans is claiming to be it, temporarily or permanently makes no odds.

Yes, this is an area that urgently needs serious research and reporting done on it.

I know all this. Have you skipped all my other posts? You must have as it would be extremely odd to call me “naive” and then post issues with self id that I have already raised.

You haven't explained how someone can fake being trans when the only criterion for being trans is that someone has to claim that they are. How would you prove that someone wasn't trans if they insisted that they are?

How does someone faking being trans differ from someone who is genuinely trans?

No I read your posts. Like this one:

I have no issue with people being transgender and wanting to live as the opposite sex. That’s not the issue. The issue to my mind is predators pretending to be transgender when they are not to secure preferential treatment.

How does one pretend to be trans? It's not possible to pretend to be trans when the only definition of being trans is saying you are trans.

And from the same post:

I think self-ID is driving it to be honest. I know it’s a real pain in the arse for transgender people to transition

It's really not a pain on the arse to transition. It's easier than making a cup of tea, you just decide you are and you are. As soon as transness is not a mental illness, it's can't be diagnosed. And as soon as it can't be diagnosed, there's no gatekeeping of who is 'really' trans. Anyone who says they are trans, is trans. Self ID is all there is.

So yeah I stand by my post, you're naive.

So you only read my last post and then decided to personally insult me.
Lovely.

I have explained what should be done in place of self-ID early on in the thread.

Do you really think that people do not lie about aspects of their identity ever?

I don’t know all of gender ideology, much of it I view as a new sort of religion or faith. But yes, if they think the brain is gendered that is not possible. Minds can be gendered, but the brain as in the organ is not.

So if it is just a collection of thought processes and emotions which are going on in someone's mind which are "gendered", then there can be no objective tests for whether a person is trans or not. Is that what you're saying? So "being trans" isn't in any way real.

But what does it mean to you for a mind to be "gendered"? How is this possible and what is the difference between a masculine mind and a feminine one?

No I read all of your posts and all of them led me to the conclusion that you are naive about this issue. Many people are, though the majority aren't quite so keen to confidently school those who've thought about it on more depth.

So anyway, how does one determine who is really trans and who is faking it for convenience?

There are no objective tests for anything of the mind. Full stop. That has never stopped us before. Something being of the mind can also be real.

Hmm forgive me but if you had read all my posts, you would know I have already answered that question more than once. Are you being entirely honest?

“But what does it mean to you for a mind to be "gendered"?

It means nothing to me as it’s not my belief system.

I don't think you have. You said you thought court ordered psychologists should assess sufferers of prison-onset transness, and I pointed out that transness is officially not a mental illness so cannot be assessed.

So you haven't answered the question. If its not a mental illness, how do we determine who is really trans?

You seem to be having difficulty reading my questions. I didn’t say anything about self id or not believing that people lie.

I was asking you about how you would go about discerning who was really trans and who was just faking. How does someone faking being trans differ from someone who is genuinely trans?

Or to put it another way, what are the objective criteria for someone to be genuinely trans?

Psychologists don’t only assess mental illness.

I have no difficulty reading repeat questions, I just do not feel compelled to post repeat answers. Discussions that go in circles tend to lose my interest.

It clearly is your belief system because you said Minds can be gendered.

What makes you believe that minds can be gendered if this isn't your belief system? I'm asking you because I don't believe minds can be gendered.