Pool rules changed after outcry over trans official in change room

[JanesLittleGirl]

In today's DT:

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Sorry, I don't know how to get past the paywall.

It's about the person who was upset when given the key to the unisex changing room in a Sheffield hotel.

Ugh the arrogance of Coombes’ statement “I’m going to do what I want.”

And around young teenage women, too.

Why do trans-identified men behave like this? It only confirms their socialised masculinity.

And such behaviour does little to dispel prejudices against trans-identified men. Such behaviour feeds all the stereotypes about paedophilia and voyeurism that old-style transsexuals have had to fight for so long.

Does the subject of the thread have a GRC, out of interest? Because even IPSO, previously thought to have 'had the training' iykwim, has recognised the relevance with regards to reporting in its decision about Susie Green's complaint (NOT upheld), of (a) subjects having previously made information about themselves known, in the public eye; (b) timelines of 'transition' including GRCs and use of pronouns, and (c) relevance of facts in reporting stories in the public interest.

The subject of this thread has put A LOT of information about their personal stuff out there online, in the public domain, about their sex and gender feelings.

I couldn't agree more!

As the saying goes " If it looks like a .......and it sounds like ...." then its probably just that.
Ms Coombes might do well to look in a mirror more often . It might bring some enlightenment

”British Swimming confirmed that Ms Coombes used the changing rooms as a walkthrough route from one area of the venue to another and was not using it as a changing area, so no separate changing area was needed”

This makes no sense. What planner would make a Female Changing Room a walk-through to a general area?? I think what they might mean is that Anne was using it to walk through in order to reach poolside. If that’s the case, it’s disgusting as Anne could just as easily have walked through the men’s changing room where Anne would have caused less distress.

I think I know why my comment was targeted for deletion. I can see why the monitors didn’t like it. So I’m going to repeat it with minor adjustments to stay in keeping with the rules.

The escalation is important to note. From cross-dressing in private, to competing as a woman, to fighting to be allowed in women’s changing rooms, to blatantly strolling through an open plan changing room where young girls are getting changed without any reasonable excuse to be there.

At every stage the people who enabled it encouraged Anne to escalate further to the next stage. The swimming club who let Anne compete gave Anne the confidence to coerce women into letting Anne change with them. The women who went along with it without a fuss gave Anne the confidence to violate the privacy and dignity of the young teenagers. And the complicit, cowardly sporting organisations like British Swimming created this whole mess by having rules allowing males to compete as women in the first place.

The way to prevent this kind of escalation of behaviour is to say no much earlier. And much more often.

Complete absence of comment replies on the British Swimming Twitter feed. Are they busy deleting?

Sounds like the competitive swimming scene has been validating 'Anne' for years.

If that’s the case, it’s disgusting as Anne could just as easily have walked through the men’s changing room where Anne would have caused less distress.

There are always ways to get poolside without going through either set of changing rooms. It’s normal for officials in swimming races to use those because they don’t need to get changed. I wonder why Anne was an exception to this rule.

(I don’t actually wonder about that. I just don’t want to be deleted again.)

So my post about my own young female relative being a Masters winner and not needing the added stress of entitled persons hanging around the change room was delete worthy then?

As I said on the other thread, you'd think swimming would have learned to be ultra-cautious for everyone's sake after the scandals in the 1990s.

This is not just unfair to young female competitors, it's also unfair to Anne, who, with all other adults, male and female, should indeed have been given firm boundaries which included not being in the same space as naked young people.

It was confirmed on the other thread by someone at Pond’s Forge that you can access poolside just by going through 2 sets of glass doors. No need to go through the changing rooms. There will be plenty of toilets dryside too.

This.

Lots of opportunities along the way for grown ups to step in and say no. And when they didn't, they confirmed to AC (and others) that AC was right and justified in what AC was doing. Paving the way for AC (and others) to continue along the path. Shame on all of them.

I wonder if AC is now regretting that tweet about being given the key to the unisex changing room? The Streisand effect of AC doing so has been quite marvellous . Probably not though, AC appears more inclined to see the outcomes of ACs own choices as persecution and bigotry, rather than an opportunity to reflect on ACs behaviour.

With particular attention directed at any threads about safeguarding children.

That’s new, it has been fine on other threads

I'm not on twitter but is # Ann's a man

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With particular attention directed at any threads about safeguarding children.

Indeed, @LoobiJee

It’s almost as if our informal monitors feel they have something to hide.

But that can’t possibly be the case, can it? I mean, this never happens, does it?

Thank you - that’s what it’s like at my local pool but I didn’t want to assume they were all the same. At my pool, the non-changing room doors through are actually the most direct route anyway. From what you said, I wonder if Anne was accessing the Female toilets in the Female Changing Room. I can’t see any reasonable reason for the walking through. No wonder people are drawing their own conclusions.

Does the subject of the thread have a GRC, out of interest?

A. Coombes started using the female changing rooms as soon as the changing rooms were re-opened following the lockdown and other restrictions in July 2021. That was 15 months after Coombes’ late March 2020 decision to come out as transitioning and start changing paperwork records. If obtaining a GRC is the inordinately burdensome, bureaucratic, lengthy and time consuming that TRAs claim, then Coombes started using female changing rooms, against the wishes of females swimmers before having a GRC.

It’s possible of course that Coombes may have obtained a GRC in the two years since then without ever mentioning it on social media. Observing that, with Coombes’ social media posting history it seems unlikely, would of course be speculation.

Queer Theory is trending on my X-Twit feed, and it's getting an absolute pasting, especially with regard to any attempts to remove boundaries between adults & children and dilute safeguarding measures. Looks like some more adults are finally waking up to their responsibilities.

Just to put the whole "getting into a swimsuit" thing into a perspective, the racesuits most of these kids would be wanting to change into would likely cost £300+ and are a complete faff to get into.

They aren't quick and easy to get on.

Non-swimmers have no need to be anywhere near those changing rooms.

How many women spectators/carers, I wonder, would walk through the changing rooms for either sex at an event like that, rather than use the normal route avoiding changing rooms?

The problem for Myra is this bozo "Anne Coombes" will be coming and going into his cubicle the whole time she (Myra) is changing in the open area. Back and forth to his locker.

Good on Myra for being the only one who openly objected and didn't back down.

I wonder why he ("Anne Coombes) called her Myra?!

I wonder why he ("Anne Coombes) called her Myra?!

Someone pointed out, maybe on this thread, maybe on the other one on this subject, that after 1964 the name Myra dropped immediately and permanently out of use as a female name because of Myra Hindley. I've only ever met two Myras and they were both my age (I was born in 1954). It's a a very nasty dig at that woman who is guilty of nothing but not giving Anne what they're demanding - (because everyone will immediately think of Hindley) and I'd be very surprised if that name was chosed at random.

There also appears to be a "weekend factor" with posts that accurately sex males and challenge the erosion of safeguarding for children disappearing swiftly.
I've got a lot of time for MNHQ and the losses that they've faced by allowing women to speak (relatively) freely, but there does seem to be a level of inconsistency that is unhelpful.

Yeah, there does seem to be a bit of a Deletion Saturday syndrome for some reason. Oh well. Onwards and upwards. 🎵We shall overcome and all that.