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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Pool rules changed after outcry over trans official in change room

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JanesLittleGirl · 29/07/2023 12:26

In today's DT:

digitaleditions.telegraph.co.uk/data/1387/reader/reader.html?social#!preferred/0/package/1387/pub/1387/page/40/article/NaN

Sorry, I don't know how to get past the paywall.

It's about the person who was upset when given the key to the unisex changing room in a Sheffield hotel.

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KimWexlersPonyTail · 30/07/2023 12:59

Melroses · 30/07/2023 12:45

Ah. The choker. Tres chic.... 😬

Anne thinks a choker hides Anne's adams apple. Oh, poor Anna....

DarkDayforMN · 30/07/2023 13:02

I know men IRL who are quite happy to degrade themselves and look pathetic in their quest for sexual kicks.

to a female audience or other men? I think guys like this think women don’t count.

SmartHome · 30/07/2023 13:28

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SmartHome · 30/07/2023 13:53

The other thing I have noticed about this class of man, which I find so weird, is the obsessive need to document every miniscule thing all over SM, as well as huge amounts of personal info. So weird. What happened to privacy. All this stuff they divulge on the internet should be between them and their therapists or friends. Just like the Rugby trans bloke trying to force their way into female rugby teams. And the trans woman I worked with who complained to HR when the other blokes in the workplace found their blog where they documented their surgery in Thailand, accompanied by 100s of photos of their genital area. Why? I find it baffling.

MavisMcMinty · 30/07/2023 13:59

SmartHome · 30/07/2023 13:53

The other thing I have noticed about this class of man, which I find so weird, is the obsessive need to document every miniscule thing all over SM, as well as huge amounts of personal info. So weird. What happened to privacy. All this stuff they divulge on the internet should be between them and their therapists or friends. Just like the Rugby trans bloke trying to force their way into female rugby teams. And the trans woman I worked with who complained to HR when the other blokes in the workplace found their blog where they documented their surgery in Thailand, accompanied by 100s of photos of their genital area. Why? I find it baffling.

It’s all about the attention, the “you’re so brave and inspirational!” rhetoric, being special and different and noticed.

MavisMcMinty · 30/07/2023 14:02

I LIVED on Twitter for four years, and the likes and retweets and followers were extremely addictive and affirming. Transing oneself is a good way to get that without having to be interesting or amusing.

NicCageisnotNickCave · 30/07/2023 14:02

Yes, you’d think males who work in IT would be more savvy about how they use the internet!

I suppose the documentation/display is a bit like showing off a stamp album or a list of train numbers?

All these late life transitioners pushing their way into events/prizes for women in STEM must be exasperating for actual women in STEM.

Pool rules changed after outcry over trans official in change room
MavisMcMinty · 30/07/2023 14:05

“I do not truly believe I am female. Does anyone have any empathy with what I am saying?”

Yes, Anne.

SmartHome · 30/07/2023 14:10

The self-importance of these men is just staggering. The irony is they want to be women, apparently, and yet women don't really behave like that.

Can you imagine if a woman, in her own name, blogged all over various SM platforms about our struggles with menopuase, incontince after childbirth, issues with sex, sexual abuse we'd suffered. We'd be unemployable.

Childrenofthestones · 30/07/2023 14:16

I can't understand why the argument always seems to fo down the road of, "are girls and women safe." It shouldn't just be about their safety. 1 in 6 females will be raped or sexually assaulted in their lifetime. That is millions of them walking around amongst us.
Can you spot them? Me neither.
Even if you can guarantee not one woman will ever be attacked by a transwoman in a safe space it should be about the trauma of rape survivors not having to be vulnerable in a space with a male bodied person edpecially with a penis on show. The feelings of a tiny number of m2f shouldn't be put behind millions of rape survivors. M2Fs deserve their dignity but another way needs to be found

DeanElderberry · 30/07/2023 14:20

Years ago a friend's mother (who was born over a century ago) told us that when she was at school they were taught to avoid using the word 'I' when writing letters. That is probably good advice (for ones own sanity) when posting and blogging as well. And yes, of course I fall short of perfection all the time. But it can be a giveaway sign that something is going wrong.

SideWonder · 30/07/2023 14:20

@SmartHome I used to work with a transwoman who transitioned quite young & they were fairly shy & retiring, and wore fairly "modest" ordinary women's clothing - looked like a young feminine man who wore skirts. That's when I worked with them.

But as they've advanced in their career, they have become more overt, and last time I saw them at a professional conference where they were taking a lead role, it looked like they had maybe had chest augmentation surgery or excessive amounts of female sex hormones. They we wearing a boob tube top, "enhanced" (I mean the reverse, really) by really huge fake breasts. It would have been OTT for a nightclub ...

No woman who dressed or presented herself like this transwoman would get a job in my field, let alone be seen as a leader.

meowgender · 30/07/2023 14:33

After reading through his social media posts, I find it curious just how unselfaware he appears to be. There's plenty of the underlying male arrogance that we tend to see from these types, but also, he seems to have been comfortably enclosed in a bubble of affirmation for the past few years. He seems genuinely bewildered now that it has popped so publicly.

SmartHome · 30/07/2023 14:50

SideWonder · 30/07/2023 14:20

@SmartHome I used to work with a transwoman who transitioned quite young & they were fairly shy & retiring, and wore fairly "modest" ordinary women's clothing - looked like a young feminine man who wore skirts. That's when I worked with them.

But as they've advanced in their career, they have become more overt, and last time I saw them at a professional conference where they were taking a lead role, it looked like they had maybe had chest augmentation surgery or excessive amounts of female sex hormones. They we wearing a boob tube top, "enhanced" (I mean the reverse, really) by really huge fake breasts. It would have been OTT for a nightclub ...

No woman who dressed or presented herself like this transwoman would get a job in my field, let alone be seen as a leader.

I know it's incredible isn't it? They manage to retain the male privilege they were born with don't they? Do you know, a couple of years ago, at the height of that really hot summer, a client complained to my manager about me for, and I kid you not, wearing a v neck t shirt on a Teams call because I was short and it was distracting and could I be made to sit on a cushion or something? And yet TW can wear porn/nightclub gear to work and nobody says a thing (or dress like an elderly librarian from the 70s in long pencil skirts that no modern day woman would ever wear - why is there no middle ground?)

They can never be women because they never get treated like women.

NicCageisnotNickCave · 30/07/2023 15:07

He wanted you to SIT ON A CUSHION
to prevent HIM becoming distracted?

🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

SmartHome · 30/07/2023 15:33

Yep. I'm a Senior Engineer at a tech company, in my mid forties at the time. I found it pretty insulting and upsetting. If I'd have been in my twenties or thirties I would have been devastated.

BettyFilous · 30/07/2023 16:13

Are you sure he didn’t want you to sit on a cushion so he could see more of your boobs smarthome? What a knob. I’d want to knock my camera off for every subsequent meeting with a client like that, though I realise that probably wasn’t allowed.

LoobiJee · 30/07/2023 16:29

SmartHome · 30/07/2023 15:33

Yep. I'm a Senior Engineer at a tech company, in my mid forties at the time. I found it pretty insulting and upsetting. If I'd have been in my twenties or thirties I would have been devastated.

That client was sexually harassing you via your line manager.

What did your LM say?

TWETMIRF · 30/07/2023 18:46

Glittertwins · 30/07/2023 12:29

Incidentally, Anne was the only official in a skirt. All the females were in trousers of some description. I always wear trousers on poolside as well.

Easier for your dick to swing free in a skirt

Maaate · 30/07/2023 20:15

IhaveanewTVnow · 30/07/2023 11:15

Years ago this person would be called a word starting with p ending in t and has a v in the middle.

Years ago this person would also be known as a transvestite and everyone would know and understand they were a man who got off (in varying degrees) by wearing women's clothing and pretending to be women.

All of a sudden we are supposed to forget transvestites were ever a thing.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/07/2023 20:58

I really would like to know what makes middle aged men get hit with this obsessive fetish. It seems almost like a very peculiar skewed version of limerance for himself.

Phil/Pippa Bunce actually did a photo shoot of him looking wistfully at his lady self.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/ywmvjm/diogo-duarte-photobard-interview-photos

SideWonder · 30/07/2023 23:34

Melroses · 30/07/2023 12:45

Ah. The choker. Tres chic.... 😬

It covers up - ooops, no that never happens!

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