Pool rules changed after outcry over trans official in change room

[JanesLittleGirl]

In today's DT:

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Sorry, I don't know how to get past the paywall.

It's about the person who was upset when given the key to the unisex changing room in a Sheffield hotel.

By volunteer officials, who do it out of dedication and selflessness, no doubt…

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"In fact, I don’t actually want to upset anyone, but I am determined that I am going to use the female changing rooms. I am not going to be shunted off to a separate facility such as a disabled changing room. As I see it, the problem with that solution is that once it is taken not only are you identified as being different but it will inevitably become permanent. Having been ostracised, no one will give any consideration as to when that arrangement will come to an end. Physical separation leads to a literal application of ‘out of sight, out of mind’.

That's a pretty big level of entitlement there, Anne. What if we don't want your penis in our sight......

Oh, bless... As if Anne hasn't already been identified as being different.
Even Anneself is completely aware of how Anne appears to the rest of us.

It was a mumsnetter on the thread about it who said her daughter had complained about Anne being in the girls changing rooms at the swimming competition that day. Apparently there are no cubicles at that venue it is all open plan with open showers

Spot on!

That Medium article is chilling. Look at how they managed to coerce the courageous Myra out of her boundaries and into accepting his male body in the women's swimming pool changing room when she objected. And then imagine a man saying this to a woman or child in numerous other situations involving nudity:

"Myra’s inability to suggest an alternative approach to my cubicle suggestion resulted in us agreeing that the only way forward was to try it out. I managed to extract a promise from her that she would tell me if, after giving it a reasonable trial, she still found it too uncomfortable but I don’t know what I will be able to suggest if she does. I am rather relying on the fact that she will quickly come to realise that my presence is not the problem she currently imagines it will be. Only time will tell" (bolding mine)

When someone shows you who they are and all that.......

Ann may also have just been using the changing room walk-throughs to give themselves a shot of ‘girl - feeling’ validation.

She definitely had a wilful obsession about being allowed to use female changing rooms.

That article says, ‘In a 2021 blog post she wrote: “I don’t actually want to upset anyone, but I am determined that I am going to use the female changing rooms. I am not going to be shunted off to a separate facility such as a disabled changing room.
“As I see it, the problem with that solution is that once it is taken, not only are you identified as being different but it will inevitably become permanent.” ‘

I would love the opportunity to use a nice, dry, private, alternative room. I am sure many girls and women would. Anne’s determination on this marks her out as different.

she still found it too uncomfortable but I don’t know what I will be able to suggest if she does
Gosh, can anyone think of a viable alternative for Anne here; what on earth could Anne do rather than be in a pool / changing room full of pissed off women? I'm stumped 🤷🏻‍♀️
Anne shouldn't have been allowed to "suggest" any fucking thing at all. Anne should have been told.

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It was a mumsnetter on the thread about it who said her daughter had complained about Anne being in the girls changing rooms at the swimming competition that day. Apparently there are no cubicles at that venue it is all open plan with open showers

I did not realise that about the completely open layout of this changing room. I take back everything I just recently said suggesting Anne was perhaps only validating herself.

What do you plan to happen to all the females who cannot use a mixed sex changing room however you feel or identify, Anne? Happy to ostracise and shunt off them are you?

News flash: this actually isn't all about you, and inclusion doesn't only mean you. If you identify as trans then yes, you are different to either men identifying as men or biological women, and this is not women's problem to fix for you at their own expense.

What annoys me greatly is that she doesn't want to 'actually upset anyone' but is still determined to use the female changing rooms! Do upset female competitors not count?

One of the comments said they didn't because his home club lets him use the female changing rooms (according to his own testimony, against the strong objections of female club members whom he claims to like and respect.)

It's amazing how the male ladies sound JUST LIKE all the entitled middle aged blokes you come across isn't it?

So Anne is concerned about being 'identified as being different'. Surely she did this to herself by identifying as a transwoman!!!!

If you Google ponds forge changing room it is a row of benches and lockers. No cubicles. Those special swim suits can take 20 mins to put on apparently they are like wet suits.

So someone who was married to a woman and has children (so presumably likes women sexually) deliberately walking through the changing room where naked girls between 14 and 19 were struggling in and out of competition swim suits in an open plan room when they could have used a different door to get from one area to another.

When someone shows you who they are, believe them

Exactly. If you're a middle aged bloke or indeed any adult man that chooses to dress and act like their stereotypical idea of what a women looks like, circa their mum in the sixties or a female born actress, then you are the one drawing everyones attention to the fact that you're different.

Anne should not be in women's changing or loo.spaces. Anne has no reason to be in those spaces. Anne's presence in those spaces is causing women and girls to feel extremely uncomfortable. Anne's determination to get into those spaces despite being offered a unisex changing room is very worrying.

Gosh, the moderating is quick off the mark to remove comments that identify Anne by Anne’s biological sex.

Do they think we don't have eyes?

That quotation makes me feel sick. Poor Myra, brave enough to try to assert her own perfectly reasonable rights and needs, and then the people she asked to help her instead allowed A Coombes to browbeat her into doing what A Coombes wants. It wasn't up to Myra to have to find a solution, she didn't cause the issue.

Once again, a demonstration of the fact that society knows perfectly well who the men are and who the women are, because they know who to placate and who to walk all over

why are they removing comments re Ann's biological sex ?

The fact that we can't talk about biological fact without being censored and silenced is a disgusting indictment of how MNHQ are capitulating to the rabid mob promoting this incredibly sinister ideology. I won't be forced to validate the delusion that it's possible to change gender. Nor will I be forced to refer to someone as the opposite gender.

Why are the removing comments about Ann's sex ?