Entitled male refused access to female changing area (despite wearing skirt)

[ACatCalledPushka]

Well done to the hotel staff. ‘trans ‘woman’ given key to the unisex changing room instead of the female changing room ‘trans woman’ not happy.

https://twitter.com/anneicoombes/status/1683090524641566721?s=46&t=5tHsrgY5T97exTqeFD4LWg

💯 my thoughts too.

you have to ask yourself why middle aged women dressed in trousers and shirts with cropped heads are not trying to “pass” and go into men’s changing rooms. Why aren’t they confused?

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and yes, the blue haired non binary, they/them trans youth are just doing what young people have done since the beginning of time. Rebelling and wanting to be different whilst believing they are on the right side of history.

It’s proof there is no compromise available in this debate - he was offered a private third space and refused it. At best because he wants the validation of using women’s spaces and at worst because he wants to see unconsenting women undressed and/or show his dick to unconsenting women.

I agree. Where are all the trans men demanded to go into male spaces? Perhaps we just don’t hear about it? And it could be that transmen pass more frequently.

And I also agree that there are two sections of society that are getting mixed up. Old men who are getting off on it all and younger people who are rebelling or genuinely feel they are trans.

He was given a safe space to get changed. That wasn’t enough for him; it had to be the ladies’ room. If we give the benefit of the doubt and assume there was no sexual motive, it would still be grossly unfair for women to be made to feel uncomfortable merely to support a male’s need for validation. Women are not support humans; they need a space away from male people to get changed. This is not just for safety reasons, it’s for women’s dignity and privacy.

If this individual had gone into the ladies’ changing room and found it empty, what then? Without the women in it, it’s just another room. And if there were women inside, what does that room become when ‘Anne’ walks in? A unisex space. So you’d have a unisex changing room, a gents’ changing room and another unisex changing room. Bit unfair on the ladies, eh?

Thank you. Everyone please do send thanks to the hotel, to balance out the hate mail and pressure they will receive from activists. It is so important that people who protect women and children are thanked, particularly where as here the employer may be bullied into firing them.

One employee refusing to hand out female changing room keys to any man who wants them is capable of preventing many sexual assaults, indecent exposures and even rapes. We can’t allow such employees to be fired and replaced with people who do whatever men tell them to.

What wrong with unisex?

The poor staff member did the correct thing for everyone rather than just for the trans woman. Everyone matters surely, not just the ego of the trans woman?
So the trans woman wants the poor member of staff a woman retrained?

What is the world coming to? Why are trans women more important than children and women.

This isn’t fake old trans versus ‘genuine’ young trans.

The trans person who raped Scott Smith’s daughter in the school’s__ female toilets was age 15.

"What is the world coming to? Why are trans women more important than children and women."

Well, men have always been more important then women and children. Now it seems that transwomen are, in some cases, to be considered in the category "men". See also inheritance and hereditary peerages, etc.

Male sexual arousal is one of the great motivators out there. I think it’s very female to go “no it has to be more complicated than that” because we don’t generally go to such self harming lengths for our jollies, but they just… do.

Yet another things means they’ll never be women.

I’m sorry that he wants to be a woman and can’t be

If this individual had gone into the ladies’ changing room and found it empty, what then? Without the women in it, it’s just another room. And if there werewomen inside, what does that room become when ‘Anne’ walks in? A unisex space. So you’d have a unisex changing room, a gents’ changing room and another unisex changing room. Bit unfair on the ladies, eh?

It's just grown (sometimes considerably 'mature') adults using toddler 'logic', isn't it? Like when they scream, demanding something - and then throw a tantrum because you give it to them!

Kudos to the hotel staff. Please, Mercure Hotels, keep doing this. Protect your female clients from bumping into men like this in changing rooms.

It's very much 'move over women and girls, trans woman coming through' with everything they do.

Well done. More of this needs to happen

I think the Male, Female and Unisex changing rooms options are an acid test.

Male + Gender Dysphoria chooses Unisex

Male + paraphilia’s (AGP, voyeurism, exhibitionism etc) chooses Female

Yes. So entitled! Despite freely admitting he doesn’t “pass”. The unisex offer was the perfect, sensible compromise yet still he threw his toys out of the pram - unable to see (or simply not bothered by the fact) that if he enters the ladies’ room, it’s no longer the ladies’ room.

https://twitter.com/flumoxxed1/status/1683196048804569088?s=46&t=HTxp6zC_d4GZ2FFv4a-YeQ

If this is true, then this male has been insisting on being in female single sex spaces for quite some time.

From Twitter flummoxed1

”You'll be delighted to learn that he also competes against women in Swim England Masters comps. Came 2nd last year in the 200m breaststroke 65-69.”

I am sure at every meet and practice there is a change room incident.

Anager’s name is Ben Hall, this email says it isn’t right but it sent. Manager is on LinkedIn. Email address

@Teenagehorrorbag

I understand that you have been unexposed to the real motivations of these males. There will be some males who suffer from gender disphoria. However, even amongst those are males who respect female people and will use toilets that are not female single sex toilets.

Some Others insist because it
validates them. I can post numerous threads on this board where males have posted stating they fully understand women and girls are distressed, but they will never stop using female single sex spaces.

Some males use the female single sex spaces because it heightens their arousal for whatever sexual fetish they might have. It could be envisioning themselves as a woman or it could be another sexual need they have.

Some males have such a significant hatred of women saying no, this is all the motivation they need. There are plenty of males filming themselves in female single sex spaces making threats, carrying weapons, or showing their penises as some kind power move over women. Twitter has plenty, we cannot post them here.

Once you realise the various motivations, it really sinks in that you cannot tell what the motivation is for that male to be there. They don’t were signs at all. So the only thing left is a full exclusion, knowing that not all are like that, but plenty are so this is the safest and fairest option - full exclusion.

Please look up WiSpa, this thread pulled together a great deal of information as it came to light. Including two previous incidents involving children. All with semi arousals. The male individual in the June 21 incident was finally captured and was a known sex offender. It was further clouded by police reports of a ‘woman’, that they were looking for. Was it the same male all three times? I have never found that out.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4281706-pushback-at-wi-spa-in-los-angeles

And here is a more recent one in Canada

https://reduxx.info/exclusive-trans-woman-confronted-by-mother-in-swimming-pool-locker-room-is-a-convicted-pedophile/

Once you start to see them, there are many reports out there.

There was a person who also started to collect the growing number of male individuals who filmed themselves masturbating, complete with their estrogen or cosmetically enhanced breasts, in female toilets. Their penises were fully functional. In some you could hear mothers toileting their children in the background. Twitter banned that person and the links disappeared.

Then you have the women’s reports about Lia Thomas’ reaction in the changing rooms. Google will bring up many articles and videos. In amongst it was at least one woman stating that Thomas was fully intact and semi aroused. Now I believe that Thomas is currently in a male homosexual relationship (they both call themselves lesbians) so, this has some likelihood of being a male aroused by being believed to be female.

This male below was not allowed in the shared showers or toilets. However, witnessed the young women in various states of undress and those women have commented on this male individual’s state of arousal. This male was allowed in the women’s single sex space and used it for sexual gratification.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12087465/amp/University-Wyoming-sorority-sisters-say-feel-vulnerable-trans-woman-peeps-them.html

Well done, Mercury Hotel in Sheffield! Your employee acted correctly according to the Equality Act and balanced the needs of women and trans-identifying males. The trans woman was offered a safe space to undress in that wasn’t the Male one, maintains their dignity and privacy, and women were able to maintain their single sex space to which they are entitled.

I know two trans women, one young, one older. Neither change in female changing rooms. They use Unisex (to avoid comments and worse in the Male ones) They wouldn’t dream of trying to draw attention to themselves like this or trying to impose on women.

Ann had not deleted the tweet or made the account t private despite hundreds of “Ann’s a man” replies.

I expect Ann had a humiliation fetish too and doesn’t mind the mean spirited/factual posts, which is a bit yuck. However, it is useful for people to see the ratio of supportive v FFS messages.

things are changing, even if that is not Ann in the female chnagig. Room

The women using the spa section did not pay silly amounts of money to be served up on a plate to any man who fancied exploiting them for validation (at best). In this situation, the complainant has removed all agency - all humanity - from them, they are nothing more than props. As a PP said, what if he did go into the women's changing room and it was empty?