Entitled male refused access to female changing area (despite wearing skirt)

[ACatCalledPushka]

Well done to the hotel staff. ‘trans ‘woman’ given key to the unisex changing room instead of the female changing room ‘trans woman’ not happy.

https://twitter.com/anneicoombes/status/1683090524641566721?s=46&t=5tHsrgY5T97exTqeFD4LWg

DIE I assume is diversity, inclusion and equality but I've only ever seen it written as DEI.

I've also seen it as EDI. Presumably, each letter should have equal rights to get a go at the front.

The unisex room should have been the absolutely perfect compromise solution for this scenario.

That this person not just objected but actually took great offence at it tells you all you need to know about motives.

But maybe beware the IDEs.

THIS x1000

god, I hope those messages don’t mean the hotel is actually going to punish the receptionist! Hopefully they were just placating the complainer to get them to shut up and go away.

I’d love for someone to actually ask why they want into the women’s. But of course because of the TWAW lie, if anyone asks these people “Why do you want into the women’s changing room?” they can say “because I’m a lady” and not get laughed at to their face.

If they couldn’t say “because I’m a lady” they’d have to give the real reasons for wanting in there. And they wouldn’t dare even try it.

Or IEDs lol

BOOM

Twitter is not #being kind!

If skirt = woman then imagine the complaints the hotel are going to get when their newly brainwashed reeducated employee directs everyone wearing trousers to the men's changing room 😱

😁

So the complainer is basically a terf right?

Because when women complain about womens facilities being made unisex and having to share with men they are called terfs and get threats

So this person wants the same thing women want, womens facilities not unisex. So they are basically a terf.

How wierd no one is shouting at them on social media pointing that out. I just can't pinpoint the difference..

I've drafted an email to the hotel - let me know if this sounds ok -
Hi, I’m sure you’ve already received a few emails about this and I have no desire to be antagonistic, but please support the staff member that referred a customer to the unisex changing rooms. I am in no way anti- trans, and can sympathize with the complainants issue to a certain degree. It must have been disappointing for them, but seeing as they have themselves admitted they do not “pass” as female I can understand your employees decision. The complainant is not a natal female and it was fair and appropriate that your staff directed them to a unisex space in this instance. We live in complicated times, and I truly believe that directing the complaint to the male changing space would have been disrespectful and unwise, but your staff member acted fairly and appropriately in my opinion by choosing the unisex space. A woman is not defined by her clothes or bearing, it is a simple matter of sex chromosomes. Given that there was a neutral space available ( eg unisex changing rooms) there was no discrimination here, the complainant was directed to the appropriate space.
Thoughts? I just want to support the employee.

I don't know if it's just my perception, but a lot more men now seem to be part of the Twitter/other SM backlash in cases like this.

Whilst it's almost exclusively male-born people who choose to make a big scene about not being allowed to get their own way in trampling over women's rights unchallenged, it's encouraging that a lot of other male-born people are now openly challenging them, rather than just reckoning 'doesn't affect me, so I'll keep schtum' as seemed to be much more often the case not too long ago.

FatherJack : I don't know a single man that would agree with sending anyone other than a woman, or child, into the women's changing room.

I think it's more a case of the true reflection of opinion being shown on twitter now, as its no longer censored.

@MavisMcMinty. I agree. A trans woman was in the female changing rooms at my gym. A couple of women I know were bemused by him trying on several outfits in front of them instead of actually going out into the gym area. Since then I’ve learnt about AGP and in hindsight I suspect he was using the women to satisfy his fetish. BTW when a number of other women complained about his presence in the changing rooms they were told to suck it up because he is legally a woman. This is what peaked me.

Fuck me this is annoying!

have you read the post where he says the girl/lady who gave him the correct “wrong” key should be sent for training and not punished. Trying to pass as a hero.
F O you know.
maybe he should do a course in how to human or how to male.

If the clothes make a person female, then when they take the clothes off, they are male, so in the wrong changing room, QED

😳😳😳😳😳.
That would cause me to end my subscription right there and then.

I’d be a bit more direct and simple.

“I’m writing with regard to this incident at your hotel on (date) which has been the subject of a thread on Twitter (link).

I would like to express my support for the employee who directed X to the unisex changing room. Since X is a self-admitted male, this was entirely appropriate and lawful.

Ensuring that single-sex spaces for women are kept that way is important for safeguarding reasons as well as protecting the privacy and dignity of women and girls. Please ensure that the employee in question is thanked for her work in upholding the law and the rights of women and girls.”

I wouldn’t bother with all the “I’m not anti-trans but…” or suggest that disciplining or retraining the employee is even a possibility.

SaleOfTwoTitties

No, I completely agree - and possibly didn't verbalise very well. In real life, men would (almost) never have stood for this; but now - thanks to a lot of foot-stamping by biological males expecting to get their own way (even when they don't even bother to make it clear what their desire is) - it's been brought into the open online as not just 'something that women care about'.

The TRAs are going to have to find another bogeyperson and stop smearing everybody who doesn't jump to their demands as a 'TERF' - which can only be more positive sunlight on the matter, when ordinary men are calling them out and saying "Hey, we male-bodied people (apart from little lads in with their mums) clearly do not belong in facilities that are set aside for female people - how is this not extremely obvious to everybody without an ulterior motive?!"

I wouldn’t bother with all the “I’m not anti-trans but…”

I completely agree with this - the complainers wouldn't dream of feeling the need to assert that they are "pro women's rights" (now, I wonder why that might be the case...).

So refreshing to hear about common sense. Well done that staff member. I'm going to email the hotel to thank her for following the exemptions under the Equality Act.

I would have been inclined to go into the gym and tell a couple of the bigger blokes that there was a man in the ladies swinging his dick about and could the remove him.

I'm not supporting them in any way, and unisex should be fine - but I'm not sure I read a more sinister motive into their wanting to use the women's changing rooms?

Are they not just confused individuals who are trying to find a reason for their confusion? I don't think I've ever heard of any situations where a man has gained access to women's changing rooms as a transwomen, for male sexual gratification? (Although I could be wrong).

We may find it deeply uncomfortable, especially if we have daughters, but I suspect these people are 'safe' - if not someone we want to share a changing room with?