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Ginny - an update

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idontknowwhattosay23 · 09/07/2023 13:02

Massive apologies for the delay in an update. It's been tricky to know how to word it so that I don't get into trouble or have to ask for it to be taken down again. Plus I've been so depressed with the situation I haven't really known what to say.

I won't be able to post the full story as before so really this is only for the benefit of those that read the last (now deleted) thread and wondered what happened / can remember the details.

The meeting went ahead as planned, although with the massive twist that it wasn't actually just myself and "Ginny" but was turned into a whole office meeting, which turned into just giving Ginny a platform to talk about her life as a trans woman (all 6 months of it) and how she is constantly objectified by men, sexually harassed and cat called and suffers far more than any cis woman and as such, deserves (and needs so she doesn't harm herself) the support and cooperation of everyone in the office, especially other women. No, I'm not joking.

The tampon / being in the women's toilet issue was brushed under the carpet as quickly as possible and explained to us as a complex matter of dysphoria that we couldn't possibly grasp and was not to be spoken about again. We were then informed that female sanitary products would be provided by management in ALL toilets, men's women's and the disabled toilets to avoid any future "misunderstanding". I was asked if I wanted to apologise for my outburst and make a fresh start with Ginny, I did so because as I said in the last thread, I really need this job at the moment. I'm so disappointed in myself for doing so and feel gross. But I couldn't do anything else. I want to thank all those that said to just suck it up and apologise, it saved me my job 100% no question about it.

Overall it was bordering humiliating for all involved, we were spoken to like children and patronised beyond belief. Ginny has been given a new desk set up right by the bosses office, best view, newest computer and a client list that even people who have been there 10+ years wouldn't usually get a look in on and have been working hard to secure for a long time... myself and two other women have been relocated to the back office. Apparently absolutely unrelated incidents, based on "the continuing restructure of company operations to maximise productivity and output". Two men have handed in their notice, again entirely unrelated.... (I can't say much, please put the pieces together yourselves ❤️)

I'm speaking now because frankly I'm dreading Monday, as in physically feel crap and absolutely can't face going in, but for now I have to. I'm actively looking for another job and have had my 3 weeks holiday approved from mid-July so I just need to get through a week and a half and I'm free of the nonsense for a bit to regroup and figure out what I do next.

It's no understatement to say I am utterly baffled as to why there is such massive special treatment for Ginny, considering the huge mistakes they have made since starting and the constant drama. Current theories floated by colleagues suggest either the boss believes that this is legally how trans people need to be treated in the workplace and is entirely uneducated in it, thus airing massively on the side of caution and has pushed inclusivity so far he's excluded everyone else. And another theory to do with crushes that I couldn't possibly repeat.

So there we have it. I'm sorry it took a while to update, there is plenty more happening that I just can't really share at the moment. But when I can I will.

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Chersfrozenface · 14/07/2023 10:27

Right behind you at 11 o'clock, OP - in spirit, anyway. Physically I may be stuffing my face with buns.

Actually, try not to think about a virtual bun-eating presence over your shoulder, just feel the positive vibes.

SerafinasGoose · 14/07/2023 10:35

unwashedanddazed · 14/07/2023 10:01

Just look at this thread - full of the loveliest women all pulling together to protect one woman. A woman we don't know and will never meet.

It's a pity these men can't see what it really means to be a woman.

Brava!

And it doesn't involve a) pillow fights, b) swapping lipsticks in the lavs, c) carrying sanpro in the hope we'll be asked by strangers to share it, d) squealing like a bilious stuck pig in response to any old mundane utterance.

Up women!

uncertainalice · 14/07/2023 10:48

Go girl go!

I hope the interview goes brilliantly, and whatever happens, remember that you are one amazing woman 💪💜

BezMills · 14/07/2023 10:58

Or, what I would do, is just shrug the whole thing off and move on. It will be someone else's problem. The people that stay have to sort this out, the people that leave, just move on. That sends its own message, loud and clear.

CurseYouPerryThePlatypus · 14/07/2023 11:00

I’m not sure OP has confirmed the wife is still in the picture, but I assumed as much as OP said boss and his wife rather than ex wife!

Thinking of the OP now 🤞

OceanicBoundlessness · 14/07/2023 11:05

All the best for the interview op. Onwards!

sunshinesupermum · 14/07/2023 11:31

you would be amazed how many 50+ men are bisexual and won't admit it even to themselves. In my case my ex was gay although he first said he was bi. I stopped him right there as he had admitted to an affair with his best (male) friend for the past six years. Calling themselves bi is often a cop out.

Meanwhile OP I have fingers, toes, ears and eyes crossed for you. All will come good x

TrulyFlumptious · 14/07/2023 11:37

Good luck, OP.

No matter how underqualified you feel for this role, feel confident in the fact that you would never crash the system, have a hissy fit and lock all of your colleagues out of the office.

ihavespoken · 14/07/2023 11:58

Good luck for your interview Flowers

SquirrelSoShiny · 14/07/2023 12:31

Hope interview went well 🙏 x

SideWonder · 14/07/2023 12:57

Boss and his wife have built it from the ground up, and implode is the right word. I can see it all going horribly.

I feel sorry for his wife. Your boss may well have secret activities ...

Froodwithatowel · 14/07/2023 13:07

Well that explains the endless banging on about being climbed all over by married men.

Good luck with the interview OP. All employees need to get the fuck out of Dodge ASAP, it's gonna blow.

SquirrelSoShiny · 14/07/2023 13:39

Froodwithatowel · 14/07/2023 13:07

Well that explains the endless banging on about being climbed all over by married men.

Good luck with the interview OP. All employees need to get the fuck out of Dodge ASAP, it's gonna blow.

Yep. And honestly the older I get the more disgusted I am at the creepiness of so many middle aged men. Just permanently ruled by their cocks till the day they can't get it up anymore.

SquirrelSoShiny · 14/07/2023 13:42

I mean ffs Ginny just recorded a video massaging your boss's ego. All those 'rich handsome married men' drooling over Ginny = performative ego wank for your boss. They're basically in a two man circle jerk and the rest of the office are unwilling observers / collateral damage.

Pipsquiggle · 14/07/2023 13:48

Hope your interview went well.

Sounds like Ginny is your Boss' blind spot.

In my last team, we had a director - nice, clever, pragmatic, easy to speak to - he brought in his mate.
His mate is a clueless, narcissistic bully. Throws people under the bus, doesn't support his team. 4 people were signed off sick and about 7 people resigned / changed teams (I moved thank God). That team has got the lowest 'happiness' score in the internal staff survey. It's been like this for 3 years. People are miserable.

God knows why the director keeps protecting him.

Unfortunately your boss might feel the same about Ginny

Mars27 · 14/07/2023 14:28

@idontknowwhattosay23 Hope you smashed your interview!

It's incredible how women are expendable and made to unwillingly participate and accept men's sick fetishises

Boiledbeetle · 14/07/2023 14:45

(I still need to tidy it up a bit to get it to scan better)

DECISION TIME

Work was great, a happy horde
The other staff thought so too
But then a new face came aboard
And followed me into the loo

She overstepped that invisible line
The one that makes life good
She acted as though she was so benign
Yet talked of sex whilst showing wood

She treated us poorly in her fantasy
Ignored the uneasy interaction
Whilst she overstepped so absently
(Only Mumsnet brought distraction)

Then she threw an epic strop
Screwed the mainframe at the office
So we all sloped off to the shop
As all locked out by the Apophis

The woman seems to be Teflon coated
The boss oblivious to the unrest
The woman’s self-image so overly bloated
The rest of us so bloody stressed

We have to put up with all this shit
We dare not voice our growing dissent
And so, our teeth we’re forced to grit
Our freedoms lost without consent

Our boundaries have been obliterated
Our feelings given not a thought
Our toilets trips are now dictated
By an edict the boss has brought

We have been admonished in front of all
For our bad behaviour in these matters
Because the boss is so in thrall
Whilst our mental health lies in tatters

All of us are being bullied
By this woman and our boss
If we speak out, we will be sullied
Not that the woman gives a toss

We have been forced into silence
So as not to be labelled a transphobe
Scared of if this ramps up to violence
We’ve had to have the patience of Job

It’s not the fact this woman’s a man
That has us all in pieces
It’s the fact that since she began
We’ve been treated worse than faeces

So now I have a choice
Do I stay or do I go?
Do I speak out and be the voice
Or jump ship for lesser dough?

NotBasically · 14/07/2023 14:56

Boiledbeetle · 14/07/2023 14:45

(I still need to tidy it up a bit to get it to scan better)

DECISION TIME

Work was great, a happy horde
The other staff thought so too
But then a new face came aboard
And followed me into the loo

She overstepped that invisible line
The one that makes life good
She acted as though she was so benign
Yet talked of sex whilst showing wood

She treated us poorly in her fantasy
Ignored the uneasy interaction
Whilst she overstepped so absently
(Only Mumsnet brought distraction)

Then she threw an epic strop
Screwed the mainframe at the office
So we all sloped off to the shop
As all locked out by the Apophis

The woman seems to be Teflon coated
The boss oblivious to the unrest
The woman’s self-image so overly bloated
The rest of us so bloody stressed

We have to put up with all this shit
We dare not voice our growing dissent
And so, our teeth we’re forced to grit
Our freedoms lost without consent

Our boundaries have been obliterated
Our feelings given not a thought
Our toilets trips are now dictated
By an edict the boss has brought

We have been admonished in front of all
For our bad behaviour in these matters
Because the boss is so in thrall
Whilst our mental health lies in tatters

All of us are being bullied
By this woman and our boss
If we speak out, we will be sullied
Not that the woman gives a toss

We have been forced into silence
So as not to be labelled a transphobe
Scared of if this ramps up to violence
We’ve had to have the patience of Job

It’s not the fact this woman’s a man
That has us all in pieces
It’s the fact that since she began
We’ve been treated worse than faeces

So now I have a choice
Do I stay or do I go?
Do I speak out and be the voice
Or jump ship for lesser dough?

Love it ❤️❤️❤️

Tricyrtis2022 · 14/07/2023 15:02

Brava!

SageRosemary · 14/07/2023 15:05

@Boiledbeetle Love it!

Vitaminsupplement · 14/07/2023 15:06

All of us are being bullied
By this woman and our boss
If we speak out, we will be sullied
Not that the woman gives a toss

@Boiledbeetle I reckon the woman gets off on the bullying

ChateauMargaux · 14/07/2023 15:14

Not lesser dough... we need to mannifest this woman a stonking payrise!!

Somanyquestionstoaskaboutthis · 14/07/2023 15:25

@Boiledbeetle fabulous. Have a tea cake and take a bow

DialSquare · 14/07/2023 15:33

Boiled we're gonna need a bigger book at this point!

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