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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Ginny - an update

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idontknowwhattosay23 · 09/07/2023 13:02

Massive apologies for the delay in an update. It's been tricky to know how to word it so that I don't get into trouble or have to ask for it to be taken down again. Plus I've been so depressed with the situation I haven't really known what to say.

I won't be able to post the full story as before so really this is only for the benefit of those that read the last (now deleted) thread and wondered what happened / can remember the details.

The meeting went ahead as planned, although with the massive twist that it wasn't actually just myself and "Ginny" but was turned into a whole office meeting, which turned into just giving Ginny a platform to talk about her life as a trans woman (all 6 months of it) and how she is constantly objectified by men, sexually harassed and cat called and suffers far more than any cis woman and as such, deserves (and needs so she doesn't harm herself) the support and cooperation of everyone in the office, especially other women. No, I'm not joking.

The tampon / being in the women's toilet issue was brushed under the carpet as quickly as possible and explained to us as a complex matter of dysphoria that we couldn't possibly grasp and was not to be spoken about again. We were then informed that female sanitary products would be provided by management in ALL toilets, men's women's and the disabled toilets to avoid any future "misunderstanding". I was asked if I wanted to apologise for my outburst and make a fresh start with Ginny, I did so because as I said in the last thread, I really need this job at the moment. I'm so disappointed in myself for doing so and feel gross. But I couldn't do anything else. I want to thank all those that said to just suck it up and apologise, it saved me my job 100% no question about it.

Overall it was bordering humiliating for all involved, we were spoken to like children and patronised beyond belief. Ginny has been given a new desk set up right by the bosses office, best view, newest computer and a client list that even people who have been there 10+ years wouldn't usually get a look in on and have been working hard to secure for a long time... myself and two other women have been relocated to the back office. Apparently absolutely unrelated incidents, based on "the continuing restructure of company operations to maximise productivity and output". Two men have handed in their notice, again entirely unrelated.... (I can't say much, please put the pieces together yourselves ❤️)

I'm speaking now because frankly I'm dreading Monday, as in physically feel crap and absolutely can't face going in, but for now I have to. I'm actively looking for another job and have had my 3 weeks holiday approved from mid-July so I just need to get through a week and a half and I'm free of the nonsense for a bit to regroup and figure out what I do next.

It's no understatement to say I am utterly baffled as to why there is such massive special treatment for Ginny, considering the huge mistakes they have made since starting and the constant drama. Current theories floated by colleagues suggest either the boss believes that this is legally how trans people need to be treated in the workplace and is entirely uneducated in it, thus airing massively on the side of caution and has pushed inclusivity so far he's excluded everyone else. And another theory to do with crushes that I couldn't possibly repeat.

So there we have it. I'm sorry it took a while to update, there is plenty more happening that I just can't really share at the moment. But when I can I will.

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Alphabet1spaghetti2 · 12/07/2023 19:54

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life of brian. This popped up on farcebook today.

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TimeLady · 12/07/2023 20:11

Alphabet1spaghetti2 · 12/07/2023 19:54

https://fb.watch/lKI3ho9ZAT/

life of brian. This popped up on farcebook today.

OMG, that clip becomes more relevant every time you view it.

NewJobDeflated · 12/07/2023 20:17

TimeLady · 12/07/2023 20:11

OMG, that clip becomes more relevant every time you view it.

LOVE that clip!

"It's symbolic of his struggle against reality". That for me sums up the entire GI debate.

BabyStopCryin · 12/07/2023 20:31

Of course you could all just start discussing womaning things like kegals and await ginnys input. Could be interesting.

VouisLuitton · 12/07/2023 21:11

@Alphabet1spaghetti2 I’ve never seen Life of Brian but that clip is hilarious!

CurseYouPerryThePlatypus · 12/07/2023 21:23

BabyStopCryin · 12/07/2023 20:31

Of course you could all just start discussing womaning things like kegals and await ginnys input. Could be interesting.

Sadly I think that’s exactly what Ginny wants 🤢 he thinks womanhood is one long nail-painting hair-twirling party of giggling about Womanly Things.

CurseYouPerryThePlatypus · 12/07/2023 21:24

I have a nasty feeling that the “one at a time” sign is intended to protect G, in that it prevents someone recording her again or “bullying” her. Or witnessing her rifling through the box of sanpro.

Good point.

pinklama · 12/07/2023 21:28

I would just go full on feminist - rant about the history of tampons & how men discouraged women to use them to stay ‘pure’. Abortion rights, equal pay could be a good one. Cost of childcare etc…

dimorphism · 12/07/2023 21:49

Discussing how you think the main thing about being a woman is being lumbered with unpaid work of various descriptions and yes discussing childcare options, elder care options, and that is the essence of womanhood would probably be likely to shut Ginny up. I wouldn't go near discussion of tampons at all, that's exactly what he wants, he's made that pretty clear.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 12/07/2023 22:50

stealtheatingtunnocks · 12/07/2023 18:55

I’d be assuming the toilet already has a small sound or video recording device. Urine fetish conviction

I don't think that's a fair suggestion.

Yes Ginny is guilty of having inane ideas about "girlhood" and trampling boundaries and (based on the desire to have girly sex talk and be given tampons) probably the three letter fetish we Alas don't Get to name Properly here. But it's a massive jump to suggest they'd be secretly filming in the toilet or have a urine fetish.

Rightsraptor · 12/07/2023 22:56

I disagree, @FlirtsWithRhinos, I don't see that as a 'massive' leap at all. Many men seem to be afflicted with the desire to involve themselves in matters lavatorial and female.

Gothambutnotahamster · 12/07/2023 22:58

I agree @Rightsraptor - can't be trusted.

Tanith · 12/07/2023 23:13

These men always remind me of Kate's husband in "Lace", and her reaction when he suddenly decides to dress as a woman.

What was so chilling was Toby’s mincing, simpering, obviously totally sincere mimicry of what he thought a woman was - deep down - really like. It was a travesty, an insult to her sex, and that was what Kate, who had never heard the word “transvestite”, found so shocking.

JeanRondeausMadHair · 12/07/2023 23:29

Tanith · 12/07/2023 23:13

These men always remind me of Kate's husband in "Lace", and her reaction when he suddenly decides to dress as a woman.

What was so chilling was Toby’s mincing, simpering, obviously totally sincere mimicry of what he thought a woman was - deep down - really like. It was a travesty, an insult to her sex, and that was what Kate, who had never heard the word “transvestite”, found so shocking.

I was just thinking about that a couple of days ago!

LemonTreeSkies · 13/07/2023 00:37

Alphabet1spaghetti2 · 12/07/2023 19:54

https://fb.watch/lKI3ho9ZAT/

life of brian. This popped up on farcebook today.

John Cleese had it all figured out in 1979

stealtheatingtunnocks · 13/07/2023 01:04

FlirtsWithRhinos · 12/07/2023 22:50

I don't think that's a fair suggestion.

Yes Ginny is guilty of having inane ideas about "girlhood" and trampling boundaries and (based on the desire to have girly sex talk and be given tampons) probably the three letter fetish we Alas don't Get to name Properly here. But it's a massive jump to suggest they'd be secretly filming in the toilet or have a urine fetish.

Well, paraphilias exist together. Some of these people don’t get enough of a sexual thrill from AGP dressing or posing at home, they do it in work. Some are know to raid san pro bins and if you think vouyerism or wanking to the sound of women pissing is rare, well, I’m pleased to you. I’ve been around all the blocks and automatically assume mixed sex facilities are dodgy.

mach2 · 13/07/2023 07:05

“What was so chilling was Toby’s mincing, simpering, obviously totally sincere mimicry of what he thought a woman was

Dylan Mulvaney

HaveYouHeardOfARoadAtlas · 13/07/2023 07:28

I’d be tempted to wait until the boss has gone in the mens toilet and then go in there. Saunter past him at the urinal with his dick out and go to the cubicle. See how he likes it.

HalebiHabibti · 13/07/2023 08:50

BabyStopCryin · 12/07/2023 20:31

Of course you could all just start discussing womaning things like kegals and await ginnys input. Could be interesting.

The problem I've always had with 'Please just treat me like a woman' is that I generally talk to people like, well, people. As in, I'd discuss TV shows, media, the news etc and it wouldn't vary much based on male/female. To me 'treat me like a woman' means taking biology into account and talking about pelvic floors, pregnancy, menopause etc, but obv talking to a transwoman about those things could be considered very unkind and triggering.

Therefore 'treat me like a woman' has always melted my autistic brain a bit in this context!!

idontknowwhattosay23 · 13/07/2023 09:30

The life of Brian clip is hilarious 🤣

I usually don't comment this time of day as by now I'm already logged in at work with my coffee safely next to me, ready to get through the day...

But Ginny has:

A) crashed the entire system and no one can get on the server.

B) taken the last of the coffee and proceeded to spill it over network cables.

C) says these two incidents are completely unrelated, screamed and cried, called us all incompetent and locked us out of the main office.

All by 9.05am.

So we've all come a few doors down to the coffee shop, leaving Ginny to figure it out themselves. Boss isn't in until 10 so... hour to ourselves with free coffee? No idea how this one will play out, boss never seems to think anything is Ginny's fault but surely when 14 of his staff members are all in a coffee shop down the road, locked out of the office and all saying the same thing about what's happened, he has to listen? God, who knows at this point.

Updates to follow I suppose 😩

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Tinysoxx · 13/07/2023 09:32

Are the newbies there as well? Hope they didn’t leave lucrative jobs for this.

NotBasically · 13/07/2023 09:34

I can't stop laughing. Who's left in the office with Ginny?

Fourlegsandatail · 13/07/2023 09:36

She’s locked everyone out of the office! Well there’s your bosses open goal opportunity to dismiss her right there (assuming he’s been worried dismissing her for anything else could be construed as transphobia).

If he doesn’t dismiss Ginny for this I think something has to be going on between them…

BeBraveLittlePenguin · 13/07/2023 09:40

idontknowwhattosay23 · 13/07/2023 09:30

The life of Brian clip is hilarious 🤣

I usually don't comment this time of day as by now I'm already logged in at work with my coffee safely next to me, ready to get through the day...

But Ginny has:

A) crashed the entire system and no one can get on the server.

B) taken the last of the coffee and proceeded to spill it over network cables.

C) says these two incidents are completely unrelated, screamed and cried, called us all incompetent and locked us out of the main office.

All by 9.05am.

So we've all come a few doors down to the coffee shop, leaving Ginny to figure it out themselves. Boss isn't in until 10 so... hour to ourselves with free coffee? No idea how this one will play out, boss never seems to think anything is Ginny's fault but surely when 14 of his staff members are all in a coffee shop down the road, locked out of the office and all saying the same thing about what's happened, he has to listen? God, who knows at this point.

Updates to follow I suppose 😩

Probably his time of the month. You know how irrational us women can get.

TimeLady · 13/07/2023 09:40

Are your colleagues finding this as funny as we are?

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