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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Ginny - an update

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idontknowwhattosay23 · 09/07/2023 13:02

Massive apologies for the delay in an update. It's been tricky to know how to word it so that I don't get into trouble or have to ask for it to be taken down again. Plus I've been so depressed with the situation I haven't really known what to say.

I won't be able to post the full story as before so really this is only for the benefit of those that read the last (now deleted) thread and wondered what happened / can remember the details.

The meeting went ahead as planned, although with the massive twist that it wasn't actually just myself and "Ginny" but was turned into a whole office meeting, which turned into just giving Ginny a platform to talk about her life as a trans woman (all 6 months of it) and how she is constantly objectified by men, sexually harassed and cat called and suffers far more than any cis woman and as such, deserves (and needs so she doesn't harm herself) the support and cooperation of everyone in the office, especially other women. No, I'm not joking.

The tampon / being in the women's toilet issue was brushed under the carpet as quickly as possible and explained to us as a complex matter of dysphoria that we couldn't possibly grasp and was not to be spoken about again. We were then informed that female sanitary products would be provided by management in ALL toilets, men's women's and the disabled toilets to avoid any future "misunderstanding". I was asked if I wanted to apologise for my outburst and make a fresh start with Ginny, I did so because as I said in the last thread, I really need this job at the moment. I'm so disappointed in myself for doing so and feel gross. But I couldn't do anything else. I want to thank all those that said to just suck it up and apologise, it saved me my job 100% no question about it.

Overall it was bordering humiliating for all involved, we were spoken to like children and patronised beyond belief. Ginny has been given a new desk set up right by the bosses office, best view, newest computer and a client list that even people who have been there 10+ years wouldn't usually get a look in on and have been working hard to secure for a long time... myself and two other women have been relocated to the back office. Apparently absolutely unrelated incidents, based on "the continuing restructure of company operations to maximise productivity and output". Two men have handed in their notice, again entirely unrelated.... (I can't say much, please put the pieces together yourselves ❤️)

I'm speaking now because frankly I'm dreading Monday, as in physically feel crap and absolutely can't face going in, but for now I have to. I'm actively looking for another job and have had my 3 weeks holiday approved from mid-July so I just need to get through a week and a half and I'm free of the nonsense for a bit to regroup and figure out what I do next.

It's no understatement to say I am utterly baffled as to why there is such massive special treatment for Ginny, considering the huge mistakes they have made since starting and the constant drama. Current theories floated by colleagues suggest either the boss believes that this is legally how trans people need to be treated in the workplace and is entirely uneducated in it, thus airing massively on the side of caution and has pushed inclusivity so far he's excluded everyone else. And another theory to do with crushes that I couldn't possibly repeat.

So there we have it. I'm sorry it took a while to update, there is plenty more happening that I just can't really share at the moment. But when I can I will.

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idontknowwhattosay23 · 11/07/2023 17:49

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The link will auto-delete in an an hour, so hopefully enough for people to see what's going on but not up forever.

There's a whole story! Ginny finally got pulled up on an incident today (sign related) and I'll fill you all in this evening when I'm finally home and kids sorted.

What a day 🤣

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idontknowwhattosay23 · 11/07/2023 17:50

teawamutu · 11/07/2023 17:34

Anyone want to bet me a pack of dark chocolate Tunnocks that the sign will be wittering on about inclusivity? Or one of those ghastly 'if you see someone in the toilets you're not sure about, shut your little lady mouth because they know better than you'?

When I heard there was a sign I thought the same! But no, the boss seems to have had a wake up call. Sort of. More to follow!

Also now I want tunnocks please send.

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Alphabet1spaghetti2 · 11/07/2023 17:51

Omg. Do you now all hum a little time to alert others? Or has dnd sign been added?

its so bad it’s laughable.

PoseyFlump · 11/07/2023 17:52

Woah! Can't wait for the update!! Ginny has gone full tonto?!

BasilParsley · 11/07/2023 17:55

I'm putting my head above the parapet @idontknowwhattosay23 because I've been following both your threads quietly and am appalled by what you are going through.

Was there anything after the ~comma~ at the bottom of the sign which appears to be cropped off, or would that be too outing?

I did wonder if you and another woman (in the natural sense of the word) could start going to the gents loo whenever one of you needed it and have one stood guard at the cubicle door on the grounds you felt too intimidated going to the ladies on your own?

Or maybe ask for a supply of condoms alongside the sanpro? Just in case...

CashmereDarling · 11/07/2023 17:57

Ooh can't wait for the update!

Also want Tunnocks now.

pinklama · 11/07/2023 17:57

Interesting sign, reminds me of the Covid days 😂😂 one person at a time in the loos.

Tricyrtis2022 · 11/07/2023 18:00

Really feel for you, OP, it sounds awful. Have to say, though, this thread is fascinating! Keeping it all crossed that you find another job asap.

SquirrelSoShiny · 11/07/2023 18:00

I really hope your boss is beginning to peak!

BasilParsley · 11/07/2023 18:00

Also, point of interest, how do you know if there's someone else in there or not? Is there now a vacant/engaged sign on the outside door?

Alphabet1spaghetti2 · 11/07/2023 18:00

Or maybe ask for a supply of condoms alongside the sanpro? Just in case...

oh that’s brilliant, but would need to be said with a deadpan face (which I just couldn’t do) @BasilParsley 😂

FannyCann · 11/07/2023 18:01

pinklama · 11/07/2023 17:57

Interesting sign, reminds me of the Covid days 😂😂 one person at a time in the loos.

Yes we had one of those. On all the single person stand alone single loos. Grin

idontknowwhattosay23 · 11/07/2023 18:07

BasilParsley · 11/07/2023 17:55

I'm putting my head above the parapet @idontknowwhattosay23 because I've been following both your threads quietly and am appalled by what you are going through.

Was there anything after the ~comma~ at the bottom of the sign which appears to be cropped off, or would that be too outing?

I did wonder if you and another woman (in the natural sense of the word) could start going to the gents loo whenever one of you needed it and have one stood guard at the cubicle door on the grounds you felt too intimidated going to the ladies on your own?

Or maybe ask for a supply of condoms alongside the sanpro? Just in case...

I couldn't fit it all in the silly cropping thing but it just says

Only one
Person at
Any time in
The bathroom,
PLEASE!

Ginny spent a good 2-3 hours following only the women into the bathroom this morning. Every single time they heard out office door go they were bolting up and running to the bathroom, attempting to make small talk about nonsense at first but it then turned into full on inappropriate requests for "advice" on their love life. My female colleague absolutely lost it and told the boss in very clear terms what was happening and how uncomfortable they felt. Initially boss was not particularly interested in hearing her out, but my incredibly bright colleague had recorded a voice note of it and sent it to the bosses WhatsApp.

Nothing was said at all after that, but the sign was on the door about 15 minutes after she sent it! And poor Ginny was giving us glares and the rest of the day, along with huffing and puffing at every minor inconvenience and screaming at the printer.

All in all, great day, I give it five stars ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

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teawamutu · 11/07/2023 18:10

idontknowwhattosay23 · 11/07/2023 18:07

I couldn't fit it all in the silly cropping thing but it just says

Only one
Person at
Any time in
The bathroom,
PLEASE!

Ginny spent a good 2-3 hours following only the women into the bathroom this morning. Every single time they heard out office door go they were bolting up and running to the bathroom, attempting to make small talk about nonsense at first but it then turned into full on inappropriate requests for "advice" on their love life. My female colleague absolutely lost it and told the boss in very clear terms what was happening and how uncomfortable they felt. Initially boss was not particularly interested in hearing her out, but my incredibly bright colleague had recorded a voice note of it and sent it to the bosses WhatsApp.

Nothing was said at all after that, but the sign was on the door about 15 minutes after she sent it! And poor Ginny was giving us glares and the rest of the day, along with huffing and puffing at every minor inconvenience and screaming at the printer.

All in all, great day, I give it five stars ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

I'm glad something is being done, but honestly your boss is being a bit of a spineless dick, isn't he?

Rather than tackle the inappropriate behaviour he's putting new rules in place for everyone.

Mmmnotsure · 11/07/2023 18:12

People here said Ginny would escalate. That's pretty quick, though.

And yet, there are times (being upset, ill) when it is supportive for women to be able to be in the loos together away from men others, so women lose out again.

MavisMcMinty · 11/07/2023 18:13

Ha ha, fantastic! Ginny, flushed with success after Ginny’s last trolling of the women in the company, overreached and toppled fucking over, how perfect!

Alphabet1spaghetti2 · 11/07/2023 18:15

Mmmnotsure · 11/07/2023 18:12

People here said Ginny would escalate. That's pretty quick, though.

And yet, there are times (being upset, ill) when it is supportive for women to be able to be in the loos together away from men others, so women lose out again.

Identify as a cat, then it’s still one person … and a cat going to the loo. Cats are not human, therefore not a person.

I mean if we are going to have to live with this lunacy, we might as well use it to our advantage.

would the boss like to provide litter trays in the loo, alongside everything else I wonder…

BasilParsley · 11/07/2023 18:15

How did the induction of the newbies go?

Noshowlomo · 11/07/2023 18:18

Fantastic and a fuck you to Ginny.
id still go in with another woman if we were talking and just heading in together, and if anyone says, say, well the sign was put up due to women being followed in to the toilet to talk about things that are inappropriate…
god this is great.
still think you need to write an anon letter to the boss!
Good Tuesday all in all though ☺️

SerafinasGoose · 11/07/2023 18:20

MavisMcMinty · 11/07/2023 18:13

Ha ha, fantastic! Ginny, flushed with success after Ginny’s last trolling of the women in the company, overreached and toppled fucking over, how perfect!

😂😂😂

Have to admit, the boss's response was an unexpected and pleasant surprise but the female colleague really left him no choice but to act.

The trouble with people like 'Ginny' is they always show their hands eventually. They simply don't know when to stop pushing, and appear completely immune to the word 'no'.

In view of the above, I hope he doesn't escalate any further, and would be making sure I was not alone in that office.

Brava, @idontknowwhattosay23's colleague - brava!

Ourladycheesusedatum · 11/07/2023 18:22

SadKendall · 11/07/2023 13:56

They put them up their arses. Not even kidding.

I just have to add they douse them in varying red coloured liquids first for the real authentic role play.

And I wont link to it because I find it so disturbing but some of them fish used ones out of the womens loos.

If that ain't a fetish, I am my dead granny

Hepwo · 11/07/2023 18:22

MavisMcMinty · 11/07/2023 18:13

Ha ha, fantastic! Ginny, flushed with success after Ginny’s last trolling of the women in the company, overreached and toppled fucking over, how perfect!

Flushed!

Flushed out more like!

MavisMcMinty · 11/07/2023 18:30

JFC. It’s bad enough putting something INTO those bins, for that brief moment the dark cavernous inside is visible underneath the metal tray. I’m not squeamish, I’m not ashamed of periods (although grateful mine are all over), but fucking HELL, I wouldn’t want to take anything out of there.

I always pity the cleaners who had to empty those bins, no amount of gloves, aprons and plastic bags would be enough.

I shall be very glad when this fetish is no longer in fashion, although as a recluse and retiree currently unaffected by any of it, I’m vicariously enjoying these threads.

SerafinasGoose · 11/07/2023 18:30

Ourladycheesusedatum · 11/07/2023 18:22

I just have to add they douse them in varying red coloured liquids first for the real authentic role play.

And I wont link to it because I find it so disturbing but some of them fish used ones out of the womens loos.

If that ain't a fetish, I am my dead granny

Overreaching and toppling over. Let's hope that's an analogy for the entire TRA movement in microcosm. Like that old Grimm's Fairy Tale: you ask for a little cottage, then a castle, your demands grow and grow, then eventually you demand to be Lord of the Sun and Moon and are told to piss off home again to your ditch.

Surely if there's any justice in the world we're seeing the beginning of the end of this insidious reach for women's rights.

MavisMcMinty · 11/07/2023 18:34

I had a lodger who brought home a man one night, had noisy drunken sex on the sofa, then in the morning my cat fished out a used tampon from under the sofa and was batting it around the room like a mouse. Eeeeuw!

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