Breastfeeding

[SmugglersHaunt]

So my thread about the ‘transwoman’ breastfeeding has been deleted.

Apparently Mumsnet doesn’t allow discussion about this. Big surprise. I now expect my account to be deleted.

What a shitshow!

The Insta amount has now been made private, but it had the person’s name on it before. It’s the same person.

There is no “woman” in a photo of nipple clamps here.

Tbf nipple clamps aren't illegal. Child abuse is however and the person is visibly doing that and proudly admitting it in their own social media posts.

Domperidone isn't licenced in the US is it? Think there's concerns with the affect on the heart. Wonder what gets used there.

Is it possible the sailors were women who had disguised themselves as men in order to avoid life as a woman in the days when women had no opportunities outside of being a man's chattel and breeding multiple babies until the body packed up? Maybe a life at sea attracted some women.
It would have been easier for a female to stimulate lactation surely, give that those sailors would not have had access to a drug and pump regime.

This is why, whether you agree with the language they use there or not, we need sites like Kiwi Farms. You just know that there’ll be a wholesale attempt to memory hole this now…but it happened, we know it happened, we all saw the proof it happened, and it needs to be archived somewhere before the gaslighting that we imagined the whole thing and it wasn’t that bad anyway really cranks up a notch.

They were a bit slow getting onto this story, but they are on it now.

I’ve just read the thread.
Is this also Mika with the picture of the nipple clamps???????
https://twitter.com/genspect/status/1675998836601286657?s=21&t=s_gHDj4MP638BhKj1Ow7IA

Sorry I’ve caught up and seen that it is the same person. Jesus fucking Christ.

Yes - the very same

You're not fooling anyone. We all have eyes dude.

It's the same person. I saw the images on Twitter, and the moles on the chest of the person in the first three photos match up precisely with those on the breastfeeding photo.

I'm unsure if posting a link is permissible, but you can find the tweet via a search for the handle 'Admiral Invalidater'.

It's him.

This is surely the very definition of transphobia. A guy with a 'predilection', hiding under the trans umbrella in order to validate it, helps cast aspersions over a community that's already finding itself maligned, in no small part because of the aggression of its activists. This behaviour does immeasurable harm to trans people, not least the women and children unwillingly coopted into it.

Why is no one challenging this? Where are the protestations of 'not in my name?' Of course, we all know the nature of the threatening, ominous mode of censorious behaviour that follows any such declaration. Plenty of women have experienced it.

It's perhaps fortunate for all that the MO with such men is hiding in plain sight. Their whole kick comes from a public display of their predilections. And this, thankfully, publicly outs them as exactly what they are. The word used to invoke a deletion and a strike, but everyone here knows it for what it is.

Kinks are okay, but not when they involve unwilling participants. That comes under the (illegal) category of coercion. And as for when they involve babies ...

The problem is, if you believe TWAW and therefore Mika is a woman, then there is nothing wrong with Mika wanting to breastfeed. Just like there is nothing wrong with any other woman wanting to breastfeed. Even if those women also use their nipples for sexual pleasure. I use mine for sexual pleasure, I’ve breastfed all my kids, no one is accusing me of child abuse. So on the surface, I can see why more people aren’t up in arms about this. But I don’t understand how anyone can argue it’s in the best interests of the baby? The vast majority of women in this country formula feed their babies to absolutely no detriment to their bond.

We saw on yesterdays thread that the answer to “but Mika can’t actually breastfeed because Mika doesn’t lactate” is “hormones”. “Mika takes hormones, hormones aren’t harmful for babies, women who have just given birth and then breastfeed are full of hormones”. A trans-ally doesn’t have the motivation to go down a rabbit hole of working out whether anything Mika takes to stimulate lactating is harmful. Or crucially (I think!) where Mika got those drugs. Mika appears to live in the UK (else I have no idea what the ITV water bill segment was on about) and I feel confident the NHS didn’t prescribe these drugs. Did a doctor privately do so? We’re they bought online? From where?

Someone, somewhere, needs to unpick this. Some sort of social services esque department needs to investigate both the motivations and means to breastfeed. I don’t know how they can’t.

Why is no one challenging this? Where are the protestations of 'not in my name?' Of course, we all know the nature of the threatening, ominous mode of censorious behaviour that follows any such declaration. Plenty of women have experienced it.

I know there is word we're not allowed to use on here (not the acronym, the other one) but I defy anyone who retains their critical thinking faculties to look at the behaviour of those trying to defend this, to see the meaningless mantras of "TWAW!" chanted like some kind of protection spell, and not be struck by how much it resembles the word we're not allowed to use. It's not logical or defendable and yet...

"Someone, somewhere, needs to unpick this. Some sort of social services esque department needs to investigate both the motivations and means to breastfeed. I don’t know how they can’t".

There's been a concerted effort to undermine safeguarding children for some years now:

Social care / the NSPCC all hopelessly in thrall to the trans lobby and ignoring Cass and the data about the vulnerability of children demanding to change sex.
Children in care were amongst the first cohort of children to be targeted by trans activists telling them they were likely born in the wrong body & needed fixing. Literally some of the most vulnerable children in society yet the social care system raised no concerns.
Schools are legally required to be impartial - yet Stonewall and other queer theory activist groups have been given a free pass to gaslight children about their wrong bodies and the joys of puberty blockers & surgery to change their sex - and the educational establishment all joined in.

Abusing babies as a prop for male fetishes is just another step along a very dangerous road that we're on.

Totally agree re the need to unpick. I hope social services have been inundated with calls reporting Safeguarding concerns. We all have a duty to report.

I downloaded the photos and have them stored.

And why deleting a thread about a man with a fetish for breastfeeding is not allowed to be discussed.

The problem is, if you believe TWAW and therefore Mika is a woman, then there is nothing wrong with Mika wanting to breastfeed. Just like there is nothing wrong with any other woman wanting to breastfeed.

But there is. Irrespective of whether it's used on adoptive mothers or trans parents, the protocol to stimulate lactation carries a known risk of irregular heartbeat in the child. Yet somehow, this has somehow passed 'ethical' approval. How?

The legal standard is 'the rights of the child shall be paramount', not 'the child shall be used as a prop for validating their parents'. The whole point of breastfeeding it that it's beneficial for the child as it's not manufactured and has fewer additives and crap in it. If it's stuffed full of hormones and represents known risks, then 'breast' (LARGE scare quotes intentional) very definitely isn't best. In these circumstances formula is the only responsible choice.

A disclaimer seems to be necessary that this is without taking into account other concerns.

But I didn’t say there was a problem with Mika actually breastfeeding (clearly there is), I simply said that if people believe TWAW then they’re not going to think that there’s anything untoward with Mika wanting to breastfeed. There’s a distinction.

Sorry that was supposed to be in reply to @SerafinasGoose

Sorry - I'm actually agreeing with your point. Even if someone did believe 'Mika' is a woman, there are clear medical reasons why lactation stimulation protocol is a bad idea, no matter who it's being administered to. And I'd really like to know what its ethics approval committee had to say about this.

Whether it's a trans woman or a female adoptive mother makes no odds on this occasion. But they will shove their fingers into their ears and shout 'La, la, la!', ignoring the risks and any other sensible discussion surrounding the matter, simply because the breastfeeder on this occasion happens to be a trans woman.

Bring the TRA/MRA into any discussion and any semblance of sense of nuance goes out of the window, it seems to me. It's a 'get out of debate free' card in which any opposition brooked is automatically shouted down as transphobia.

Any total belief system without room for debate or questioning is a dangerous thing. This one is particularly nefarious.

IMO he's not feeding, he's taken a carefully posed photo of himself pretending to feed and posted it online for reasons best kept to himself. Simplest explanation. No complex regimens, no difficult to obtain drugs with unpleasant side effects. There's no evidence he's taking any medication or actually doing anything other than roleplaying mother (not that this isn't weird enough in itself). The scientific literature doesn't support the notion that men can do this. There are two case studies which are dubious at best and the only evidence they have was the men claiming to be doing it, and one of the men was open that one of his reasons for wanting the medication was because he hoped it would help him grow breasts.

What it does do is show the power of social media to spread fake stories.

@JeannieDark
Men do have some breast tissue it’s just that it doesn’t develop in the same way as it does in women during puberty.

Some men who have medical conditions or take medications that increase prolactin levels or that block the effects of hormones regulating things like testosterone or other androgen if sex hormones do develop some increased breast tissue and sometimes especially where there is high prolactin they start to secrete a milk like fluid. This is called galactorrhoea.

The same hormones in women (prolactin) as well as others such as oxytocin increase in the later stages of pregnancy and after delivery in order to feed the new baby. This milk is specifically tailored to that baby’s needs and that time and also contains things like antibodies to give immunity to the baby.

Lactation (or in the case of men it should be called galactorrhoea) can be induced in men and non pregnant/non lactating mothers, using medications that as a side effect affect hormones and so lead to milk production.

Historically drugs like Domperidone were given to women who were struggling to establish breast feeding to increase milk supply. However some years ago concerns were raised by MHRA and other medicine regulatory bodies about its safety due to risks of heart side effects. We used to use it a lot as an anti sickness drug too but now very rarely and is not recommended for use longer than 3 days.

Many GPs I know, myself included, will no longer prescribe Domperidone for lactation because of safety concerns and I at least try and offer help and support with BF mothers in other ways, having been a mum to a very premature baby in NICU where I needed to get my own milk in and then keep it going by pumping because he was born before the suckling reflex is developed.

I don’t understand why any medical professional would prescribe to males in these circumstances and why they are not supporting the baby’s mother to BF if she wants to.

The timeline doesnt make sense if you look at Mika's twitter.

-in one video Mika (7th Nov 2019) says Mika's baby was born the day before Mika was diagnosed. By 7th Nov Mika is in hospital on chemo.

• Feb 16th video, Mika is recieving stem cell treatment, and Mika is talking about Mikas 3 month old.

I don't get how Mika could have breastfed for a few weeks, stopping before chemo began, if the baby was 3 months old in mid Feb, and Mika was already having chemo by early Nov. There's a month or two minimum missing there.

Further, if Mika was diagnosed when the baby was 1 day old, and Mika would have known Mika was going to have chemo very soon when 'trying to initiate breastfeeding'. None of it makes sense.