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Breastfeeding

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SmugglersHaunt · 03/07/2023 20:42

So my thread about the ‘transwoman’ breastfeeding has been deleted.

Apparently Mumsnet doesn’t allow discussion about this. Big surprise. I now expect my account to be deleted.

What a shitshow!

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OldCrone · 03/07/2023 21:28

GoodWeatherforDucks · 03/07/2023 21:16

I feel that this cannot just be allowed to become yesterday’s news. But it’s too ‘icky’ to feature in The Times or The Telegraph. Maybe the Mail will cover it? I’m amused that the TUC who defended him when he was being ‘harassed and abused for simply being a mum’ (not exact quote but you get the gist) will now be forced to defend this and if they don’t.. eek! transphobia!

It's in the Mail.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12258633/Trans-activist-posts-image-breastfeeding-child.html

Trans activist posts image of her breastfeeding her child

Mika Minio-Paluello was seen during Wednesday night's News At Ten programme doing the washing up while she spoke of how the soaring costs were 'tough'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12258633/Trans-activist-posts-image-breastfeeding-child.html

FannyCann · 03/07/2023 21:32

mrshoho · 03/07/2023 21:12

I would like to call on our government, the NHS and other public health agencies to produce as a matter of urgency, accurate and factual information as to how breastfeeding works. Due to misleading and disingenuous social media posts there is a belief by some that biological men are equipped to breastfeed infants.

This.
Has there been any statement that anyone is aware of from the RCM regarding this? If not why not?
A man removing a baby from its mother to attempt to force it to suckle on his own nipple is also abusing the mother and putting both her mental and physical health at risk, interrupting the mother/infant dyad. Her breasts will fill as she hears the baby cry. She will feel anxious and distressed. She may suffer engorgement, blocked ducts , could develop mastitis and if it isn't treated promptly could progress to a breast abscess or even sepsis.
The role of a midwife is to support the mother and promote and support breastfeeding (unless the mother has chosen to bottle feed) and it is completely unacceptable to support a man interrupting a woman's lactation and relationship with her baby.

pickledandpuzzled · 03/07/2023 21:37

Is there more than one child involved?

I'm asking because apparently there was a breast pump o the side in the water charges video.
Now, that would suggest it's still in use when the child is quite a big toddler, when the majority have finished breast feeding.
That bothers me, how sustained it is. The toddler is likely to have self weaned by this stage. Both mine certainly did.

HarpyValley · 03/07/2023 21:43

pickledandpuzzled · 03/07/2023 21:37

Is there more than one child involved?

I'm asking because apparently there was a breast pump o the side in the water charges video.
Now, that would suggest it's still in use when the child is quite a big toddler, when the majority have finished breast feeding.
That bothers me, how sustained it is. The toddler is likely to have self weaned by this stage. Both mine certainly did.

I’d be inclined to think there was some deliberately provocative placement going on, especially if they were always planning to release this photo.

ReeseWitherfork · 03/07/2023 21:46

mrshoho · 03/07/2023 21:12

I would like to call on our government, the NHS and other public health agencies to produce as a matter of urgency, accurate and factual information as to how breastfeeding works. Due to misleading and disingenuous social media posts there is a belief by some that biological men are equipped to breastfeed infants.

I saw the other thread this morning and was curious about the poster saying that men absolutely could breastfeed because her male dog was breastfeeding a litter of kittens? Never got a chance to see how that unfolded. Or maybe other posters didn’t push her for some more information instead choosing to look the other way and not feed the insanity.

HarpyValley · 03/07/2023 21:48

ReeseWitherfork · 03/07/2023 21:46

I saw the other thread this morning and was curious about the poster saying that men absolutely could breastfeed because her male dog was breastfeeding a litter of kittens? Never got a chance to see how that unfolded. Or maybe other posters didn’t push her for some more information instead choosing to look the other way and not feed the insanity.

It went about as well as you’d expect among a group of women who very much understand biology.

FannyCann · 03/07/2023 21:52

Apparently the breast pump belongs to his house mate, who has a five month old baby.

twitter.com/mikaminio/status/1675473914691026944?s=61&t=4VcB-5PAva8_x6Zp2Qr2SQ

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EstherMumsnet · 03/07/2023 21:53

Hi all,

We took down the previous thread because we had deleted so many posts that made serious allegations and/or speculated about a named individual and right now we just can’t allow such posts to continue. Discussing this story and the wider issues raised by it does not, in itself, break our guidelines, but do please consider these guidelines when posting.

As you can appreciate, this is a challenging issue to moderate and so we’d really appreciate your help in maintaining a civil and constructive discussion.

littlbrowndog · 03/07/2023 21:55

So disgusting that man having a baby suck on his nipples

yeah ban me Mumsnet

we need to discuss how a man can show a picture of a baby sucking his nipple

HarpyValley · 03/07/2023 21:56

FannyCann · 03/07/2023 21:52

Apparently the breast pump belongs to his house mate, who has a five month old baby.

twitter.com/mikaminio/status/1675473914691026944?s=61&t=4VcB-5PAva8_x6Zp2Qr2SQ

Why do I suddenly have a mental image of Mandy Rice Davies? 🤔

ColdMeg · 03/07/2023 21:58

I think it is inevitable at this point that we are heading towards an enormous backlash. This kind of thing is so dark, so obviously unacceptable, that if I were a tin foil hatter, I would argue that it's some sort of psyops.

GoodWeatherforDucks · 03/07/2023 22:00

Thanks for letting me know about the DM article @OldCrone

I hope a lot of people have seen it and it has opened their eyes to what the full implications are to safeguarding when the magic cloak of transgender identity is invoked. Imagine Bob the Builder showing off a photograph of himself with an infant latched on to his nipple? The outrage would be instant, and this should be no different here.

HowardKirksConscience · 03/07/2023 22:05

Why did he do it on the bus?

Oh yes, so anyone can see. Because that’s part of it all.

Even more infuriating is that the MN suggested threads below this post are all about breastfeeding. ‘Breastfeeding help’ is one. How completely insulting.

hamstersarse · 03/07/2023 22:07

I used to think it was a bit hyperbolic when I read far right accusations of perversion and paedophilia in this movement.

Then you see this. And people are actually defending it. The drip drip effect seems to be working in changing definitions, normalising child abuse.

Im starting to wonder what the 2023 definition of child abuse is? I definitely think that in 2013 a man forcing a baby to suck his nipple would be classed as child abuse.

Whoiscomingtosaveyou · 03/07/2023 22:07

It’s interesting that those who want to be seen as liberal and inclusive are actually the ones doing the censoring and deleting. Once you stifle debate because of agenda you’re on a path towards cancel culture.

Forwarder · 03/07/2023 22:07

@ReeseWitherfork from the time posted and language used, the bitch feeding kittens story sounded more like a deranged Men's rights activist from the USofA.

IAmSalmaFuckingHayek · 03/07/2023 22:10

From what I’ve seen on FB this is being largely accepted. Akin to surrogacy (how wonderful that gay couples can have children).
We’re so far down the rabbit hole that a man letting a baby “breastfeed” is ok.
There’s so much shit being accepted though that I’m really not sure what will peak people for once and for all. I’m embarrassed for so many people now.

Forwarder · 03/07/2023 22:11

Without reference to specific threads guess MN has to be careful about posters (like me) speculating on the sort of company an individual might keep.

Forwarder · 03/07/2023 22:13

@IAmSalmaFuckingHayek where on FB?

Less anon so women with reservations keep their heads down. I've been attacked by Men's Rights activists on FB. 'Kin scary.

ReeseWitherfork · 03/07/2023 22:16

HowardKirksConscience · 03/07/2023 22:05

Why did he do it on the bus?

Oh yes, so anyone can see. Because that’s part of it all.

Even more infuriating is that the MN suggested threads below this post are all about breastfeeding. ‘Breastfeeding help’ is one. How completely insulting.

Bonus points for then taking a photo of “breastfeeding” on a bus and posting it on twitter.

Also, does that screenshot from FannyCan say “two parents breastfeeding is helpful”? So the other parent of this baby is a woman who is actually breastfeeding it?

ticketstickets · 03/07/2023 22:17

Men breastfeeding is not a new thing. Before formula was a thing, widowed men occasionally managed to induce lactation to feed their babies.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/18/opinion/sunday/men-breastfeeding.html

littlbrowndog · 03/07/2023 22:18

IAmSalmaFuckingHayek · 03/07/2023 22:10

From what I’ve seen on FB this is being largely accepted. Akin to surrogacy (how wonderful that gay couples can have children).
We’re so far down the rabbit hole that a man letting a baby “breastfeed” is ok.
There’s so much shit being accepted though that I’m really not sure what will peak people for once and for all. I’m embarrassed for so many people now.

On Twitter this is so not being accepted

dunno what Facebook you are on where people think that a baby sucking a guys nipple is ok 😟

HarpyValley · 03/07/2023 22:18

IAmSalmaFuckingHayek · 03/07/2023 22:10

From what I’ve seen on FB this is being largely accepted. Akin to surrogacy (how wonderful that gay couples can have children).
We’re so far down the rabbit hole that a man letting a baby “breastfeed” is ok.
There’s so much shit being accepted though that I’m really not sure what will peak people for once and for all. I’m embarrassed for so many people now.

I haven’t mentioned it at all on FB but I’ve been all over Twitter about it, because I’m much more anonymous on the latter than the former.

sureigot20 · 03/07/2023 22:19

I have no words 😞

We are being eradicated.

Whiskeypowers · 03/07/2023 22:24

sureigot20 · 03/07/2023 22:19

I have no words 😞

We are being eradicated.

It’s absolutely this