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Police withdraw stalking protection order application against Caroline Farrow

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BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 23/06/2023 08:45

Or rather their barrister does. The case somehow got as far as court without the police giving Caroline's representations to the barrister. Once he read them he declined to proceeed.

https://twitter.com/CF_Farrow/status/1671854328485691392?

https://twitter.com/CF_Farrow/status/1672117973862039552?

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WomanXXWorldsOriginsofMothersofAllNations · 22/05/2024 09:22

! UPDATE !

Brilliant result against Surry Police. I hope Caroline takes it allll the way 🥂

https://nitter.poast.org/CF_Farrow/status/1793178685190570335#m

Caroline Farrow@CF_Farrow 1h
UPDATE & STATEMENT 22nd May 2024

Surrey Police abandoned their application for this draconian order two weeks later, claiming they were only provided with ‘substantial evidence discrediting the allegations on the day of the hearing’.

This was not, in fact, true. Surrey Police had already received substantial defence submissions refuting the incredible allegations levelled against me some weeks earlier, in May 2022, following my second arrest. They were also made aware of this evidence during two police interviews. Still, Surrey Police chose to pursue the application, which was signed by the Chief Superintendent at the beginning of June.

These submissions were additionally emailed to Surrey Police solicitors in advance of the hearing, but they were only finally read by the police counsel on the day of the hearing, who immediately asked the court for an adjournment so that he could take further instructions from his client. The investigating officer responsible for bringing this application was on holiday and had sent a stand-in to court.

Two weeks later, much to my relief, Surrey Police advised me that they would drop the application.

The terms of the order would have significantly impacted my life. It would have ended my ability to earn a living and put my family, including two vulnerable children with autism, under constant police surveillance and at the mercy of vexatious complaints; therefore, I had no choice but to put up a robust defence.

The bar for costs to be awarded against the police when they bring unsuccessful applications for Stalking Protection Orders (SPO’s) is very high. Public authorities must be encouraged to make and stand by reasonable and apparently sound administrative decisions made in the public interest without fear of exposure to undue financial prejudice if their decision is successfully challenged.

Successful litigants are highly unlikely to recover costs unless they can demonstrate unreasonableness and improper conduct on the part of the police authority.

In this context, I am delighted to announce that Surrey Police have offered to pay most of my defence costs, which run into many thousands of pounds, rather than contest them at a court hearing and risk significant criticism.

However, this is not the end of the matter. Surrey Police had a duty to reimburse the costs that I was forced to incur unnecessarily, defending an application that should never have been brought. A considerable amount of resources could have been saved if the matter had been investigated fairly and impartially in the first place. For reasons best known to themselves, the investigating officers were unwilling or unable to apply professional scepticism to the ludicrous allegations. They chose to traumatise my entire family by arresting me at tea time because, to quote their words, they had ‘reasonable suspicion that Mrs Farrow may have deleted tweets’.

In October 2023, Surrey police informed me that despite their best efforts at case-building, including the seizure and examination of all of my devices, they had not met the evidential test required by the Crown Prosecution Service.

Initially seized in October 2022, my devices were not returned until March 2024.

Over the past five years, my entire family has been put through a terrible ordeal thanks to Surrey Police, who turned a blind eye to appalling threats and harassment directed at my whole family and advised me to stop posting about gender ideology, yet were happy to arrest me to prove or disprove, a patently false allegation. I will continue to hold this force and the officer involved to account by pursuing them for damages for the harm inflicted on myself and my family.

I’m acutely aware that I have been able to mount a defence only thanks to the fact that I enjoy a minor public platform and can harness the generosity of so many ordinary members of the public who were incensed and outraged by my arrest. I have been inundated by stories of similar injustices and police overreach, where people have had to accept appalling restrictions on their freedoms and multiple arrests as a result of hearsay accusations simply because they were not able to access the legal support to which everyone should be entitled

PriOn1 · 22/05/2024 09:30

It is a good result, but another horrifying reminder of how corrupt the police are and of how willing they were to be used as obvious flying monkeys by a narcissist.

I have no faith that this will have the wider effect that it ought to bring. What happened to Caroline is beyond belief.

Helleofabore · 22/05/2024 09:38

WomanXXWorldsOriginsofMothersofAllNations · 22/05/2024 09:22

! UPDATE !

Brilliant result against Surry Police. I hope Caroline takes it allll the way 🥂

https://nitter.poast.org/CF_Farrow/status/1793178685190570335#m

Caroline Farrow@CF_Farrow 1h
UPDATE & STATEMENT 22nd May 2024

Surrey Police abandoned their application for this draconian order two weeks later, claiming they were only provided with ‘substantial evidence discrediting the allegations on the day of the hearing’.

This was not, in fact, true. Surrey Police had already received substantial defence submissions refuting the incredible allegations levelled against me some weeks earlier, in May 2022, following my second arrest. They were also made aware of this evidence during two police interviews. Still, Surrey Police chose to pursue the application, which was signed by the Chief Superintendent at the beginning of June.

These submissions were additionally emailed to Surrey Police solicitors in advance of the hearing, but they were only finally read by the police counsel on the day of the hearing, who immediately asked the court for an adjournment so that he could take further instructions from his client. The investigating officer responsible for bringing this application was on holiday and had sent a stand-in to court.

Two weeks later, much to my relief, Surrey Police advised me that they would drop the application.

The terms of the order would have significantly impacted my life. It would have ended my ability to earn a living and put my family, including two vulnerable children with autism, under constant police surveillance and at the mercy of vexatious complaints; therefore, I had no choice but to put up a robust defence.

The bar for costs to be awarded against the police when they bring unsuccessful applications for Stalking Protection Orders (SPO’s) is very high. Public authorities must be encouraged to make and stand by reasonable and apparently sound administrative decisions made in the public interest without fear of exposure to undue financial prejudice if their decision is successfully challenged.

Successful litigants are highly unlikely to recover costs unless they can demonstrate unreasonableness and improper conduct on the part of the police authority.

In this context, I am delighted to announce that Surrey Police have offered to pay most of my defence costs, which run into many thousands of pounds, rather than contest them at a court hearing and risk significant criticism.

However, this is not the end of the matter. Surrey Police had a duty to reimburse the costs that I was forced to incur unnecessarily, defending an application that should never have been brought. A considerable amount of resources could have been saved if the matter had been investigated fairly and impartially in the first place. For reasons best known to themselves, the investigating officers were unwilling or unable to apply professional scepticism to the ludicrous allegations. They chose to traumatise my entire family by arresting me at tea time because, to quote their words, they had ‘reasonable suspicion that Mrs Farrow may have deleted tweets’.

In October 2023, Surrey police informed me that despite their best efforts at case-building, including the seizure and examination of all of my devices, they had not met the evidential test required by the Crown Prosecution Service.

Initially seized in October 2022, my devices were not returned until March 2024.

Over the past five years, my entire family has been put through a terrible ordeal thanks to Surrey Police, who turned a blind eye to appalling threats and harassment directed at my whole family and advised me to stop posting about gender ideology, yet were happy to arrest me to prove or disprove, a patently false allegation. I will continue to hold this force and the officer involved to account by pursuing them for damages for the harm inflicted on myself and my family.

I’m acutely aware that I have been able to mount a defence only thanks to the fact that I enjoy a minor public platform and can harness the generosity of so many ordinary members of the public who were incensed and outraged by my arrest. I have been inundated by stories of similar injustices and police overreach, where people have had to accept appalling restrictions on their freedoms and multiple arrests as a result of hearsay accusations simply because they were not able to access the legal support to which everyone should be entitled

Thank you for the update. These cases have a chilling effect.

WomanXXWorldsOriginsofMothersofAllNations · 22/05/2024 09:42

Agree with you both. How many (mainly) women will have curtailed their legal participation in this discussion after seeing what the police are capable of.

This is (again) not one rogue officer but is force wide; every action will have had oversight and been signed off. I have lost so much respect and trust in those that are meant to serve us all without fear or favour.

Boiledbeetle · 22/05/2024 10:22

Well done Caroline , let's hope this finally stops the shit happening on repeat!

And...

Where's Felix? I want to say if he's lurking!

WE DO BLOODY KNOW!

We always did. This whole thing from start to finish was a fucking witch hunt!

AlisonDonut · 22/05/2024 10:41

I wonder if he was told to stand the fuck down.

Maaate · 22/05/2024 10:45

I suspect we won't be seeing Felix in his Felix guise again 🥸

TERFCat · 22/05/2024 11:23

I'm no fan of compensation culture, but I hope Farrow gets every Penny.

SlightlyShostakovich · 22/05/2024 11:29

I hope Caroline F is aware of the appearance(s) of Felix on here and the, erm, implications of this, and the subsequent absence. The passage of time has not been kind to my memory, such as it is these days.

I am so pleased for her and her family that the main part of this egregious ordeal at the hands of the Surrey police is now over. It should never have happened.

FranticFrankie · 22/05/2024 11:29

Let’s hope ‘lessons will be learned’
😏

SinnerBoy · 22/05/2024 11:50

It's nice that they're going to pay "most" of her entirely unnecessary legal costs.

DiabolicalFinial · 22/05/2024 11:57

Any indication of consequences for the individual who initiated (etc) police involvement?

SecretPimplePopperWatcher · 22/05/2024 12:08

Malicious prosecution, misfeasance by a police officer, wrongful arrest and discrimination are possibilities that spring to mind.

Felix - Mumsnet has a huge steaming slice of humble pie waiting for you. You want custard, cream or ice cream with that?

ArabellaScott · 22/05/2024 12:16

SinnerBoy · 22/05/2024 11:50

It's nice that they're going to pay "most" of her entirely unnecessary legal costs.

She should be getting all costs plus compensation.

MotherEarthisaTerf · 22/05/2024 12:26

For someone with a short term memory - what did Surrey Police initially charge her with and how did that impact her ability to work? I remember the hoo hah but forget the specifics - was it stalking and harassment?

BezMills · 22/05/2024 12:57

Good old felix, what an absolute clown he was

stealtheatingtunnocks · 22/05/2024 13:04

I’m pleased to see this. Police should not allow themselves be used as a tool to abuse women.

lechiffre55 · 22/05/2024 13:08

Congratulations to CF on her victory. It's a shame it's taken so long, but as we all know the porcess is the punishment. Let's hope the abuses of police powers to harass women stops.

It's odd how quiet Felix has gone. I wonder why? I guess we'll never know.

LarkLane · 22/05/2024 13:11

Thank you for the update. We all knew that this was a total fit up dragged out purely to punish and cause distress to CF and family.

Even the fake police officer couldn't sway how we felt. Obsessively posting to try and undermine support. He appears to have been binned off after getting too cocky on here in his last post about how to harass people within the law.

I hope that the instigator of this saga gets turned upside down and inside out. What a pathetic, malicious individual - who will eventually end up behind bars I'm sure.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 22/05/2024 13:14

ArabellaScott · 22/05/2024 12:16

She should be getting all costs plus compensation.

Yes. For all the courageous and diligent police officers, (eg those involved in the Hainault stabbing) there are a still significant number of corrupt officers who need weeding out. Some of them evidently in very senior positions.
She's been treated appallingly and I hope the damages are seriously punitive and that the officers who appear to have been allowed to facilitate a personal vendetta against her are disciplined.

Tallisker · 22/05/2024 13:19

Is it too much to hope that the vexatious litigant gets his come-uppance and that right soon?

LarkLane · 22/05/2024 13:20

She's been treated appallingly and I hope the damages are seriously punitive and that the officers who appear to have been allowed to facilitate a personal vendetta against her are disciplined.

Definitely! I'd be curious to see what was on their computers and phones and who they were in touch with.

DrLouiseJMoody · 22/05/2024 13:43

Tallisker · 22/05/2024 13:19

Is it too much to hope that the vexatious litigant gets his come-uppance and that right soon?

Some individuals will never have a job or platform meaning they are ever taken seriously as any sort of commentator again. That avenue has been closed down. How? Who knows. Utterly mysterious. No idea whatsoever. None at all.

I am, of course, speaking in general terms and as a "failed academic" with no influence, I lack any connections whatsoever and would obviously never stoop so low.

I know what Caroline has been awarded and Surrey are ... unhappy. They upped their initial offer because they don't want to go to court. It's thousands of pounds.

If I were Caroline, I'd be posting a champagne drinking selfie from somewhere :-]

DrLouiseJMoody · 22/05/2024 13:49

The investigating officer actually went on an eight week holiday just after submitting the hopeless Stalking Application. She omitted Caroline's submissions and the application just took everything that the complainant said at face value which is astonishing when said complainant doesn't even take himself at face-value with all the filters.

There was bias, an assumption that a conservative Christian must be on some mission against all "minorities" (in this case, the "minority" being a member of half the population) and was responsible for numerous KiwiFarms posts. The fact is that if you abuse so many people then they will discuss you, at length, on the one forum that can't be shut down.

Nearly every single comment about the complainant there is deserved.

Where's Felix?

JanesLittleGirl · 22/05/2024 14:04

Where's Felix?

We simply don't know.