Police withdraw stalking protection order application against Caroline Farrow

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Or rather their barrister does. The case somehow got as far as court without the police giving Caroline's representations to the barrister. Once he read them he declined to proceeed.

https://twitter.com/CF_Farrow/status/1671854328485691392?

https://twitter.com/CF_Farrow/status/1672117973862039552?

@WILTYjim Horrible treatment, that must be so stressful for you and I'm sure that your barrister will come good for you. Wishing you strength, and solidarity to you.
Too many of these people using the police as their own private army.

Indeed.

What I think is quite telling is that a poster claiming to be currently part of the police force is so keen to question, suggest, imply all sorts of things about a specific case (admittedly the purpose of this thread) to show that the police are never at fault.

But when two different contributors to the thread post about actual experience of police mishandling of cases where individuals find the police are acting as the arbitors in what are civil cases (ie following up complaints) no insider information is offered as to how the police force lets this happen or how it could be stopped, let alone rooted out.

If part of the point of posting as a current police employer is to somehow enhance the reputation of the police, this seems to indicate that the motive isn't that but an unexplained interest in one case.

I think what is happening to Caroline Farrow is totally unacceptable, but what is also clear is that under current policing you cannot expect equality of treatment, any agreed standards of behaviour, let alone treatment that overtly implies you are guilty before a case has even been compiled to go to the CPS. Useful for anti GC complainers to utilise.

But this isn't about a few rotton apples because others in any police station will now in some detail or another what is going on.

Lets not forget the east London police station where they were able to say that 2 gay men both found dead in the same church yard were just drug deaths, despite other information and witness statements.

If the canteen culture in police stations allows this, because dont tell me this wasn't talked about, what else does current policing allow?

IwantToRetire I've been a lurker for over a decade on here, sometimes name change and de reg. The carry on from the so called police officer on here, prompted me to get more involved than usual these last few days.

Nothing he's said here, or on other threads, convinces me this a serving officer.

From here, he's plopped on a thread re the woman complaining about Greater Manchester Police and the missing footage. His information about how long footage is kept for isn't correct. It's a guess. It's also different for bodycam footage and custody suite footage - which again he doesn't seem to know.

There are many women on MN who work in police forces in different roles. They've been here a long time. None of them carry on like this.

I'm sure as individuals, we've all come to the same private conclusion as to the nature of these posts.

He identifies as something….

Indeed. Interesting choice of threads to focus on 🤔🙄

If I remember rightly he also had no idea how the bodycams worked. We had to explain it to him.

A page or so back he got himself all confused between the spelling of 'surely' and his own mis-spelling 'surly', and when I gently teased about his resulting phrase 'surly humanity' he started going on about abuse and all sorts. I couldn't be arsed responding as I had drying paint to watch.

Shostakovitch the allegations about abuse and so on, remind me of a somewhat costly legal case close to all of our hearts. It involved a certain bobble hat wearing golf fanatic who unsuccessfully attemped to make a similar claim.

Mr. Justice Nicklin in that case commented:
"For someone who complains about harassment, visiting the website on which this alleged harassment is posted is not altogether easy to understand"

SlightlyShostakovich
Were back to focusing on spelling and grammar - OK, you might want to tell IwantToRetire the difference between 'know' and 'now', but I guess its just me you are focusing on.

The 'humanity' comment suggested that I had no humanity on this forum - yet others can call me names such as 'pig' etc. One other poster said it was wrong to do this, no one else did - so are the rest complicit to that kind of abuse? I'll let you watch your paint dry whilst you ponder that one.

IwantToRetire
I have never said 'the police are not at fault' If you look at 'Harrassment's' post I stated that "...This is clearly wrong and should be brought to light. I hope the cop involved was dismissed...." And have said similar on other posts which show where the police have failed. I have also suggested another thread about 'things wrong with the police force' and I will gladly contribute.

Just for info - we don't all sit together in a canteen and discuss all of our jobs. If we do get a break, the last thing we talk about is work. If we are to each talk about our personal crime queue, you will need a meal break of about 12 hours. You tend to find that you will grab a quick bite to eat as and when you can, usually on your own or with your crew mater if you're lucky to be doubled crewed.

LarkLane
What are you saying I don't know about custody footage and BWV footage? Its not kept indefinitely unless it is marked as 'evidential'. We don't have the storage facilities to do it for a start and it conflicts with Data Protection Rules.

colouringindoors
I tend to focus on police threads - I have given a list of recent threads I have been on. All about different hings, but generally police based as this is the filed in which I work. And if people don't understand things I will explain it to them or offer advice. Hence the nature of a discussion forum.

AlisonDonut ·
If I remember rightly he also had no idea how the bodycams worked. We had to explain it to him.
No you didn't. You seemed to not understand the principle that it records on a 30 second loop. So that when you hit the 'activate' button, the footage which is saved is from 30 seconds before you hit the button. Lots of other people on that thread who use BWV (security, door staff) told you the same.

I don't need to know the software & hardware specifics of how its doing it - I just need to know that it does and how to operate it.

A paramedic doesn't need to know how the software & hardware of a defib works. If you drive a car, you don't need to know how the ECU communicates with the rest of the car. A doctor doesn't need to know the complexities behind a MRI scanner.

You just need to know what it can do and how to operate it. Same with a BWV

• I remember rightly he also had no idea how the bodycams worked. We had to explain it to him. No you didn't. You seemed to not understand the principle that it records on a 30 second loop. So that when you hit the 'activate' button, the footage which is saved is from 30 seconds before you hit the button. Lots of other people on that thread who use BWV (security, door staff) told you the same.*

No, you said it didn't record all the time and we said that it must record all the time otherwise how could it recall the previous 30 seconds footage without actual time travel.

You still don't understand our point. On so many different things.

AlisonDonut

The device (the camera that the cop wears) is on a 30 second constant loop. So it records to itself on this 30 second loop, constantly overwriting itself after 31 seconds.

When I hit the 'activate' button it starts to 'record the data' as a 'saved' record. So the footage which will be marked as 'saved' will commence from 30 seconds prior to you hitting the button.

This 'saved' footage will stay available for 30 days. At the end of the shift the camera will upload this 'saved ' footage to a database when it is docked back at the police station.

This 'saved' footage will get uploaded to this database which keeps the footage for the 30 days. After this time it is automatically deleted.

If you want this 'saved' footage as permanent record (for a case file for example). You log onto the database and mark it as 'evidential'. This 'saved' footage then gets uploaded to another database as a permanent record - which agencies such as CPS can get access to.

You don't time travel - and on the previous thread another poster uploaded a link a BWV site which explained it.

The thing is Felix, and I know this has been said many times before, you’re on the Feminist board of a site mainly for women, and named accordingly.

The subject is a very sensitive one that has been impacting women’s lives, their careers, their bodies, their private spaces and relationships. It’s so difficult in fact, that there are very few places we can talk about it safely. In fact there have been times that even here our safety has been potentially compromised. You can see the types of issues that occur when you look at the subject of this specific thread. It may be theoretical to you but it’s very real for us. Some women here have been involved personally and deeply in this fight at some cost to themselves, and their families.

So when you come here, and say who you purport to be, and repeat yourself over and over, to women involved in this, then it’s not surprising that now and then you might be on the receiving end of some mild frustration. The women here are busy.

What @DogsAkimbo said. Given the profound invasion of our lives, we don't really want to listen to a man asking questions when we know the facts.

This morning, I've supposedly (I say supposedly since some dim-witted individuals think I'm a poster on another forum) been accused of fabricating stalking. I get it sounds like fiction, but when you've dealt with the individual(s) that me and some of my friends have, you realise that you've been plunged into an episode of the absurd. Don't believe me. Believe. I don't care. But I could do without being dragged into a dispute I don't quite understand. I'm here to update with what I'm allowed given my friend has been silenced by an inept force.

DogsAkimbo
I agree - it is a very sensitive subject and I hope its resolved very quickly.

I have said that its a horrible situation for Caroline to be in and the length of enquiries just add to her stress.

And because i think its a very sensitive & important issue to discuss - I'm not sure why certain posters on here descend it into posting pictures of seals, desserts, cheese? Or deflecting by questioning my grammar & spelling but no one else is challenged. Or try to use a username in another forum which happens to be the same as mine and state that it must be me?

And I don't think being called 'a pig' and repeatedly being told to 'F* OFF' as well as another abusive comments on these threads can be seen as 'mild frustration'. Its borderline Malicious Communications and goes against the rules of the forum - which is why MNHQ deletes the posts.

Only one other poster came out and said calling me 'a pig' was wrong - so does that mean the others are complicit in this? Another poster agreed with the comment.

On threads in which such abusive online comments is seen as being unacceptable - why should I have to accept them being thrown at me as merely 'mild frustration'?

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Thanks @DogsAkimbo and @DrLouiseJMoody

It's absolutely unbelievable what Complainatron and PC Useful at Sorry Police are putting Caroline through. I look forward to this being shut down, and getting some clear statement from leadership of Sorry Police and the PCC about how this has come about and what lessons they can learn from it.
We simply cannot allow our precious and limited funds allocated to policing to be spaffed away harrassing someone at the behest of a malicious individual. We deserve better, the police can do better.

visiting the website

Wish I could even find the farms!

Warning: thread derail

BTW, the Heterodorx - the fabulous Nina Paley and Corinna Cohn - have Joshua Moon as a guest on the latest number of their podcast. It’s interesting …

I’ve really come to enjoy Paley and Cohn for their banter and particularly Corinna Cohn’s courage - he really is “stunning and brave” and ferociously clever.

Also mentioned by the Heterodorx is the other double-gander podcast I’ve become a bit addicted to: Blocked and Reported. I sometimes worry that this gender extremist ideology has turned me into an intolerant old fogey but their intent reminds me that there’s always nuance.

And I don't think being called 'a pig' and repeatedly being told to 'F* OFF' as well as another abusive comments on these threads can be seen as 'mild frustration'. Its borderline Malicious Communications and goes against the rules of the forum - which is why MNHQ deletes the posts.

And there it is, sounds like we need to get the women here ‘policed’. Great that you’ve pointed it out and MN has deleted them. It’s becoming a little clearer.

DogsAkimbo
So I should just accept being called a pig and being told to F* OFF as well as other abuse then?

And MNHQ should not have deleted these posts - event if it breaks their rules?

So is at acceptable for me to be just as abusive back then......?

The thread will just descend into a tirade of abuse to each other - on what is a very important issue on discussion.

So is that a case of 'one rule for me, another rule for everyone else'
You're correct - is is becoming a little clearer!

You’re not accepting it, you’ve told us many times, and MN has deleted the posts. Is there something else you need?

It seems like ‘malicious communications’ is such a low bar for women talking on the internet.

Whilst actual stalking by men, and I’ve seen some of the nasty, stalkerish Twitter posts aimed at Louise and Caroline by one man in particular, seems low on the list of priorities.

Yes. It reminds me of my kids, when one is bothering and needling the other over and over and eventually the other snaps and says something less than kind. The ‘needling’ one is often somewhat more at fault.

FFS Felix, it’s not all about you! Please give it a rest, stop repeating yourself over and over - it is annoying, frustrating and honestly can feel as though it is trying to be intimidating/threatening. Just back off!

going to answer this and only this:

So I should just accept being called a pig and being told to FOFF as well as other abuse then?*

no. You can report those posts. HTH