School guidelines on gender identities/trans out this week

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22733965/schools-banned-letting-pupils-change-gender-parents-rishi-sunak/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12208907/PM-says-children-not-allowed-switch-identities-schools-without-telling-parents.html

These are the only two articles I could find so far.

'Schools will be forced to tell parents if students are questioning their gender under new Government guidance to be published this week, according to a report. '

Why on earth would I be posting here if I didn't have an interest in the opinions and lives of the people likely to read it?

Having an interest in, does not equate to having any care of or empathy with...lets just point that out.

I'm sure that plenty of the posters here are 2nd wavers but if you think the average Mail, Telegraph or Times reader who has co-opted the 'Gender Critical' label while uncritically absorbing their daily dose of outrage bait is a feminist then I'm afraid I have some bad news for you.

You seem to be arguing with yourself here. No-one needs to co-opt labels to understand the harm. Labeling seems to be a part of the identity compulsion.

Whatever you do, the labelling of people as the opposite sex or neither doesn't change you to the opposite sex or neither. The whole statistical constellation story would not be necessary if it did.

Telling us people are fake feminists or fake gender criticals when your story is about rationalising a fake sex is extreme cognitive dissonance.
Any outrage is over the harm this compulsion is doing and the intransigence of people participating in the harm. No-one needs to co-opt a label to see that.

We've given an opinion on the statistical constellation theory. It's false.

The response to the failure to acquiesce to this story is rage, there's a whole bunch of angry believers writing to the UN and GANRI claiming that it's a human right to have everyone capitulate to this false idea.

When the press report on this it's outrage clickbait apparently.

We get controlling posters on here every once in a while

some of them want to force others to pretend they can’t tell what sex they are

some want to force others to agree with their (usually nominally left wing) political views

some want to force others to agree with things like critical race theory

the unifying factor is a desire to exert unreasonable control over fellow humans

https://glaad.org/lgbtq-celebrities-allies-letter-facebook-instagram-youtube-tiktok-twitter-anti-trans-hate-disinformation/

Here's another example.

The label people must be in charge of what the non label people can say.

They only want True allies to be permitted to speak!

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I am still perplexed why a supposedly intelligent adults, generally, who pride themselves on their moral superiority think it is intelligent to show their deep prejudice about the media they read.

How many people do we see on MN who deride articles from particular mainstream media. It is just a lazy stereotyping exercise, this time on media rather than human personalities. And yet there is such pride behind the snide derision of stereotyping others for their reading habits.

Crack on with the puerile insults about ‘Daily Mail, The Times and The Telegraph’ readers. It just shows another narrow viewed activist who cannot read widely and rely on their own critical thinking to assess the content.

The moral superiority of reading certain media over others just shows a person who values political purity above the gathering of broad knowledge.

If all else fails, just call them a ‘Daily Mail, The Times and The Telegraph’ reader! That will put them in their place as an uninformed twit!

Honestly, the level of thinking that has been consistently and persistently delivered here is remarkable.

True Allies close purse open mouth
True Allies no debate
True Allies surrender the words they use to self describe and never say 'woman' or 'mother'.
True Allies repeat the mantra
True Allies unperson anyone deemed transphobic and shun them
True Allies do as they're told
True Allies love is love
True Allies transwomen are women
True Allies - if they can make us believe absurdities... they can convince us to sterilise children who are gender non conforming

Brilliantly said - thanks!

I was struck by that statement as well.

Not remotely interested in the women on this board, or taking their arguments into account and trying to perhaps find ways forward that would not impinge on women’s lives. None of that.

The proclaimed purpose of being here is to educate us. And not about what it’s like currently for an aging adult transitioner (though there are some revealing posts about that too) but to pontificate on what it’s like to be a young transitioner.

This is still the avowed aim, even though it ignores the (regularly pointed out) fact that the vast majority of the current cohort of young transitioners now are not male HTSTs and that the transitioning pathway is completely changed.

Why are we expected to listen to what it's like for a male who thinks they are a woman, when they won't listen to how it is for women?

Well said and it's gender ideology in a nutshell - only the male viewpoint matters. They tell us how we feel. It's male supremacism on steroids (or cross sex hormones)

Reminds me very much of this.

https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/south-asia/taliban-afghan-women-hibatullah-akhundzada-eid-message-b2364146.html

Men telling women how they feel doesn't make it true.

And I think it is again hugely noticeable that the only type of trans person that the poster who has stated they are here to ‘educate just one person’ can bring any type of ‘accurate’ view on is a male who transitioned in the 90s and used stereotypes to claim ‘there was an issue’. A male who admits to having a sluggish puberty and suffered bullying for that.

What any reader should note is that this poster is not representative of the majority of the current and still exponentially growing cohort of teens seeking transition. Despite their constant claims.

They are not representative of the current majority of FEMALE teens transitioning.

Strangely, many of us here posting ARE representative of that cohort as we also experienced gender dysphoria AND has some of the same comorbidities. A fact that this male who seeks to educate other parents seems to not understand.

Plus many of us are parents WITH children who fit the age group of those teen transitioner, some have teens with trans identities.

Gosh…. It is almost like some of us posters actually have spent years educating ourselves on the current treatments for children and teens… and we don’t take the male centred approach that it is in this male’s opinion, all wonderful with no serious health repercussions and that it is all just misunderstood by nasty women who might have similar opinions to those stupid, reactionary and ill informed ‘Daily Mail, the Times and The Telegraph’ readers.

Oh yes, who were the beige feminists again?

It really has been a bizarre thread. I am tipping that any person who could’ve been educated by the posts would have been rather concerned by the misogynistic style that proves that some male people simply cannot ‘pass’ when they start talking. I suspect it is more than ‘some’.

Because misogyny, innit!

It’s typically males that demand we reorder society and lie for their benefit on here

It’s quite pronounced

Why on earth would I be posting here if I didn't have an interest in the opinions and lives of the people likely to read it? If even one person comes away with a more accurate view of what it's like for young transitioners further down the road,

Anyway, enough about me and what I want. What do you think of me and what I want?

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'Waiting for Guidelines'. A new play by Samuel Beckett. Godot never turned up in the original play. Will this one have a different outcome?

Fail more. Fail Better?

Oh, god.

'god grant me the confidence of a mediocre white man!'

Can someone tell me if this new guidance has actually been published yet - and if so can you please point me to it?

It's not been published yet. Was promised 'for the summer term'.

Love this! I suspect life will imitate art. They were first promised before Christmas.

I have letters from various tory ministers going back years telling me they were drawing up guidelines for schools withtheirmatesStonewall which is why they're never done it because they know the safeguarding busting advice from activists would never be accepted by decent people.

There is an article in today's DT (sorry, can't paste link) covering an interview with Gillian Keegan in The House magazine. GK is sticking with social transition in schools where there is parental support. I don't see the guidelines being accepted by the PM until GK gives way.

According to the Telegraph the draft guidance will be out next week for consultation.
Stephanie Davies-Arai from Transgender Trend is quoted as saying:
“We’ve been desperate for this to come out for years – schools are in a state of real confusion, some are turning to trans activist groups like Stonewall and the longer this goes on the more difficult it is for schools to make changes.
It does need consultation, but unless the DfE gives the trans activists everything they want, they will kick up a real fuss and possibly legally challenge it - they won’t take it quietly and the Government has to be prepared for that inevitability. It’s not for the Government to appease those groups, its duty is to protect children."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/01/school-trans-guidance-chaos-will-continue-into-next-year/