School guidelines on gender identities/trans out this week

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22733965/schools-banned-letting-pupils-change-gender-parents-rishi-sunak/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12208907/PM-says-children-not-allowed-switch-identities-schools-without-telling-parents.html

These are the only two articles I could find so far.

'Schools will be forced to tell parents if students are questioning their gender under new Government guidance to be published this week, according to a report. '

With a lot of reproachful sad noises and disgust that women would selfishly think they had inner lives, needs, a right to equality of access and inclusion when they should be serving male people's best interests.

Oh the glorious day when the service humans stop revolting.

Hear, hear @AlisonDonut

Women saying 'no' is abuse, apparently.

Yeah. The hyperbole is astounding. If women asserting their right to women-only spaces is “abuse”, which word is used to label “real” abuse?

Hyperbole weakens the meaning and impact of language.

I wonder if it's ever possible for a misogynist to actually hear women? Is there a way to get beyond it?

I'm gonna say it again

this is a person who spends his whole life pretending to be something he's not

he is not a reliable person

I don’t know. It makes me feel a little despairing. It can be so ingrained. Once you become aware of how ingrained it is, you can’t return to a state of not being aware.

arabella, he can't hear himself

the chances of him hearing others? slim I'd say

And the cycle goes round.

Women are to blame that males who demand women accept them are told the truth finally, that their male cues of their personality and their physical appearance are discernible to many women and girls.

Women are to blame therefore for applying such heavy pressure to those male people making those demands.

Women are to blame for the poor mental health that struggling to deceive others that males have become female brings to those male people. Because those male people go to desperate measures to not be noticed and seen as they objectively are.

Women are to blame for not using the soft words and demanded pronouns and words that those males feel entitled to demand and making those male people feel bad.

Women are to blame and be considered hateful for saying ‘no, we have needs to’ and making those male people feel excluded from places they demanded access to, where they should never have been in the first place.

Women are to blame for defending the needs of their children to be able to reach adulthood and make fully informed decisions.

Women are to blame that in doing so, some male people will have more feelings hurt and feel their experiences are not valued as some male people feel they deserve, when those experiences are not relevant to the current cohort of teens seeking transition. How sad!

But when women and girls clearly state that no male people should have access to our spaces, sports and opportunities and they should stop. The answer is a clear ‘fuck off, you can’t make me’.

Enough said.

they say around 3% of people are sociopaths ('a mental health condition in which a person consistently shows no regard for right and wrong and ignores the rights and feelings of others')

so while that's a significant number, they are massively outweighed by people who can understand that others have feelings and some things are morally wrong.

there's little point negotiating with the sociopaths. it's the others we need to talk to

Yes, just as a general point, though. I wonder if it's possible to change.

If a person doesnt afford women the status afforded to men, then they are not going to be able to hear women when women lay out arguments.

No matter how rational, no matter how much evidence.

I'm not aiming this at anyone at all, it's a curious point that can apply to various situations.

And the objectifying of "phobes" also just has the opposite effect.

I suppose we have all seen some men suddenly change and listen when another man lays out points that women have been making for ages. Trying to remember the name of the bloke who did this recently on Twitter. It was astonishing.

It reminds me of hoarders. There's so many similarities between the behaviours.

I think posters from FWR have stated that clearly over the time.

However, it is always useful to disseminate the motivation, the twists, the inconsistencies, the dishonesty and the fuckwittery tactics every time. Because each time new readers see it and understand the patterns so they can sort through all the fuckwittery tactics when they see them again.

This really has been a live demonstration of that in action.

That's interesting! Misogyny as a kind of disordered thinking?

The disconnected thinking is very clear.

What is ridiculous and increasingly apparent is the lengths of dishonesty that extreme activists will go to vilify the women and girls who do say no.

I keep remembering when I was standing in front of the protestors in Hyde Park earlier in the year. I was holding hands with other women. On either side of me the women were shaking with fear in their hands, but their faces didn’t show it.

The protesters screamed things at us that were not even approaching the truth . It was all false trope from the internet.

Just like here we have a male poster who, despite women telling them why their constant assertion that we are ‘biological essentialists’ was wrong, significantly flawed and just plain bollocks, repeated it over and over again.

The reality is, this group of extreme trans activists do not actually understand what we are saying, they don’t want to and they cannot believe anything different. They may be intelligent people but they have outsourced their critical thinking to others believing fully that those people have done the critical thinking, when they haven’t either. Or they have and are dishonest. Or they are complete narcissists and believe their own half baked theories are clever and insightful.

It all cycles around and around.

But it is all built on falsity.

Yes, I have had experiences of this in different situations but particularly in a professional context when a senior male starts to take notice of an issue only when a fellow male brings it to his attention. Female colleagues have tried to raise the issues for some time.

Not misogyny, transitioning. The escalation and compulsion.

Wasn't he crying crocodile tears upthread, he was aware how uncomfortable he presence made women in their spaces. I, for a moment, mistook it for empathy. Seems it was actually a complaint that the women made him feel bad.

BTW, what's a 'biological essentialist'?

Icake, as I understand it a biological essentialist is someone who thinks that women should be carers and stay at home and have babies and men should be bankers and soldiers and engineers etc. Your biology (sex) determines your role in life. Kind of ultra conservative.
But trans activists are prone to throwing the term at women who think your biology (sex) determines your sex.

Thanks @thirdfiddle 😁 that's ridiculous. How could anyone spend 5 minutes on FWR and think that's what we believe!

Something in Hatched's writing style reminds me of Ignatius O'Reilly, I only read about 20 pages of that book though. I can't quite put my finger on it why that is. but for the past couple of days when I skimmed through this thread I have images of Ignatius flashing up in front of my inner eye.

Once you recognise the pattern, if you scratch below the surface you will find it always shows the same.

Those male trans people who do understand women and girl’s needs are the ones already using male single sex spaces or they find alternatives that work.

Those female trans people who understand women and girl’s needs and have been taking testosterone, also find alternative solutions. They tell us so. A group of them even have an app that details alternative solutions near them so they can be prepared.

So no. Each time I have seen a male declare wonderful empathy for women, the outcome is the same. After being told by a tide of women one after another that they don’t want any males in their spaces, the mask drops and we get the same message. That male wants to continue to use the space and will continue, so STFU women.

And when we get a new one, we have other posters telling us that we are mean, that we use blunt language, and that we are uncompromising. How dare we shun a potential ally.

No. We do just recognise the pattern.