School guidelines on gender identities/trans out this week

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22733965/schools-banned-letting-pupils-change-gender-parents-rishi-sunak/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12208907/PM-says-children-not-allowed-switch-identities-schools-without-telling-parents.html

These are the only two articles I could find so far.

'Schools will be forced to tell parents if students are questioning their gender under new Government guidance to be published this week, according to a report. '

Schools socially transitioning children is not a neutral act - it's a psychological intervention carried out by unqualified adults at the behest of certain adults with an agenda. Long overdue for this particular experimentation on children to be brought to a halt with children again being safeguarded and not abandoned to the wishes of adult activist groups.

This is the psychological damage that can happen to a primary child:
https://www.transgendertrend.com/childhood-social-transition/

And this for a secondary aged child:

https://www.transgendertrend.com/teenager-says-theyre-transgender/

And “cruel”

Apparently Rishi has appointed a special consultant.

Please let this be true.

Is there any guidance for the NHS?

The Cass review is likely to be the most appropriate - pointing out that socially transitioning children is not a neutral act, removing the influence of the trans activist groups from influencing the health care of vulnerable children, insisting that puberty blockers can only be prescribed as part of in depth research (as at present they're experimental and untested for this purpose) and prioritising good psychological / mental health interventions for mentally unwell children:
https://cass.independent-review.uk/

Oh yeah, GNC here too.

In fact if talking to genderists I never identity as a woman, because I know their understanding of the word Woman is that it means people who identify with the gender stereotypes traditionally assigned as female, which I don't.

There was new NHS guidance last week.

There was a thread I'll see if I can find it.

Basically says social transition should be undertaken with guidance of a clinician.

Doesn't say what to do, if anything, if parents do it without clinician guidance.

Doesn't look like school guidance is going to say don't socially transition without clinical guidance, looks like it's going to be up to the head teacher.
So we'll likely have a range of practice in different schools.

The solution to the potential of teachers and head teachers no longer 'affirming' students without parents knowledge is not to claim that this endangers those students.

If lobby groups and extreme trans activists wish to ignore Dr Hilary Cass's advice about social transition not being a neutral act, maybe those lobby groups should have encouraged very robust, completely independent studies that proved that social transition was completely harmless and did not lock those children into a pathway. They did not do this. In ALL this time. So, the fact that they have nothing but hyperbolic misrepresentation and emotional manipulation is very much their own issue to deal with.

for kids who are known 'gender transgressors

ohh lord😂 this is the stupidest thing I've ever read 🤣

Fuck me
I have no words.

in your words I was a 'gender transgressor' it really wasn't at all as dramatic as you think 😆

get a grip

Based on the recent NHS guidance it's likely that schools can and will still socially transition, they are just being told to be cautious: not a neutral act, impact on others etc.

After this guidance schools they'll still be able to support social transition if requested by parents, they'll just have to justify why they considered this the best way to support.

The big change is: they can't support it without parental consent.

So protection for parents rights, but no protection for kids with zealous mermaid loving parents.

I think that maybe the articles have been deliberating misleading.

Aren't they referring to a consultation that isn't yet open.

Not that keen on the tabloids hijacking an important issue to create online wars. Or to distract from whether RS has voted on BJ being censored!

Maybe wait for the consultation to come out and check to see what it is actually asking?

This is the Guardian's version of the story from back in April which needless to say has a rather different slant https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/apr/23/teachers-warn-new-gender-guidance-for-english-schools-could-put-children-at-risk

"So protection for parents rights, but no protection for kids with zealous mermaid loving parents."

Unfortunately, this is true too.

Thank you wonderful women, each piece of guidance that uses common sense to calm this nonsense down is a huge step in the right direction x

@JohnPrescottsPyjamas

Love that cartoon 😂

Gloriously bonkers yes indeed that post is!

But as usual, the bonkers is just a symptom of looking at the world through the topsy-turvy rules of gender-woo.

Take the woo away and things are a lot simpler

A boy (original sex based meaning) wearing a skirt? Fine.

A boy wearing a skirt and saying he generally feels more comfortable with female coded social stereotypes but understanding he is a boy and that where spaces, activities and opportunities are split by sex, his place is with the boys? Also fine.

A boy (wearing a skirt or not) claiming he is a girl due to some self proclaimed mental commonality of girlhood, and that where spaces, activities and opportunities are split by sex, his place is with the girls? Not fine. The school does not have to directly challenge his sense of girlhood (though they should certainly explain to him that such a belief reduces and misunderstands the inner life of women and girls) but they can certainly refrain from accommodating the material practice of that belief.

TRAs throw around emotive phrases like "GNC children... being forcibly outed" but it's only through gender woo that there is anything to worry about outing in the first place. Without gender woo all you have is a bunch of kids with different personalities, happy to be who they are in the body they have, out and proud as who they are from the day they are born.

That Guardian article is what is typically misleading. All of those situations are covered by safeguarding.
No teachers have the right to remove parental rights / responsibilities.
Teachers have been dealing with abusive parents for ever and have a variety of strategies - all involving multi agency decisions about risk - not activist teachers deciding on risk and confidentiality in isolation
All this is evidenced via the outcomes of Child Safeguarding Practice Review (serious case reviews) which consistently evidence that professionals who act in isolation and don't share information are dangerous and cause real harm.
All the data we have about children alienated from their families shows that they do terribly in terms of life chances.
It's why we have a complex safeguarding system that God knows can be fragile enough, but what must never happen is that activists demand that this group of children are to be kept outside the normal safeguarding procedures.

The one thing it's right about is that the government have dithered - we've been asking for this guidance for years.

Gender non conforming is a good thing. This is what Gender Critical means.

Gender stereotypes are divisive and damaging, particularly to females who are the more vulnerable sex.

People who are Gender Critical want to do away with gender stereotypes.

People who are transgender want to reinforce gender stereotypes to the point that they over-ride sex.

It was never going to be a workable switch and it put women's rights back about 40 years but hopefully now that people are less afraid to challenge it, we can get back on track and let women be viewed as people again, not a set of clothing, makeup and wigs.

You ok hun <headtilt>

Not everyone who is against gender ideology is gender critical.

I think school guidance will allow for schools to enforce gendered uniforms if they wish.

So no boys in skirts in some schools.

I think we'll see a real variety in practice depending on the head teacher's views.

IDK it has a nice ring to it.

A Gender Transgressor - sounds like something out of a sci-fi movie.

The emotive manipulation really does drip off “kids who are known 'gender transgressors' and have been using school as a safe place to express themselves”.

I was most definitely a ‘gender transgressor’ by today’s standards. And yet, not once did I believe I was the opposite sex. Did I believe I should be able to do everything that the boys could do, fuck yeah!! Did it mean I should go to the male toilet or sleep in the boys dorms when we went away? No fucking way.

Stop using ‘gender non conforming’ as some kind of forced teaming for your extremist trans activism. It is false and it is offensive.

The only reason any male child thinks they should use a female single sex space is because adults have told them that is what they should expect. This is a clear example of adults leveraging children to support the adult’s ‘needs’.

It is just like all the people now declaring how horrific it is that some females are asked if they are in the right toilet. Happened many times to me as a child and it never once made me feel I should feel offended. Or that I was being harmed. It made me think people might be short of sight, but I just told them I was a girl and went on my way.

I think male people have little idea of the realities female people have faced during their lives. And it is hilarious to see male people attempt such emotional manipulation on women who have lived their lives not fucking conforming!

And to read about gender non conforming children being outed! Outed as what? Gender non-conforming? Or has GNC because automatically ‘trans’ in some people’s minds. Which is not only an over reach, it is completely disrespectful. Fucking offensive if that is going to be the new or renewed tactic.

kids who are known 'gender transgressors' and have been using school as a safe place to express themselves”

Schools aren't places to express your identity, they are places to learn in safety.

Kids should 'transgress' social norms at weekends.

That's why I don't think boys need to be allowed to wear dresses, wearing a dress is not essential for anyone, if you can't wear one at school and have to wear trousers like the other boys, you'll be ok.

Fashion choices are not an essential part of your being. Temporary arbitrary dress codes don't harm you even if you don't like them.

You'd have to prove boys not wearing dresses is somehow harmful. With girls and trousers a utility argument was made and won.

If you just argue kids should be able to wear what they want to express themselves then you'd surely argue for no restrictive dress codes at all? No uniform.

Then if a child wanted to come to school dressed as a cat, why should they be stopped? If it's their identity expression?
After all, nearly everything we wear are just arbitrary current cultural dress codes.

A boy doesn't need to wear a dress.
Any more than I need to wear a top hat.

They're just fashion choices. School isn't about expressing your fashion preferences.

This is what Miriam Cates has to say on the matter (tweet link below):

Very much hope this ‘leak’ turns out to be wrong. While keeping sports single sex would be an improvement, allowing children to transition ‘with parental permission’ is basically maintaining the status quo where thousands of children are undergoing ‘social transition’ at school.

Few parents will say ‘no’ because children have been groomed to threaten suicide, few headteachers will say ‘no’ because of pressure from activists and few children will refuse to use ‘preferred pronouns’ if adults are complicit in the transition, because they are children. Social transition is a psychological intervention with unknown consequences.

Schools do not have the authority to make this intervention even with parental consent. If a parent requested that their child be allowed to drink alcohol at school, the answer would be ‘no’. The rapid rise in children ‘changing gender’ is social contagion fuelled by political activism.

Underlying issues - autism, trauma, abuse - are being ignored in the rush to ‘discover’ a child’s ‘true gender identity’ - this is not compassion. Evidence suggests the vast majority of children who express discomfort with their sex will grow out of this discomfort so no child should be ‘transitioned’ school.

Sex - male or female - is the most important biological distinction for humans - indeed all mammals - and we have no idea of the long-term result of this unethical population-level social experiment, where a whole generation of children is being told that biological sex doesn’t matter. Schools need the government to fix this with firm boundaries upheld by law.

(2) Miriam Cates on Twitter: "Very much hope this ‘leak’ turns out to be wrong. While keeping sports single sex would be an improvement, allowing children to transition ‘with parental permission’ is basically maintaining the status quo /1 t.co/3gnqIUQAot" / Twitter

I'll believe it when I see it, but cautiously hopefully. The children who will benefit most from this guidance are the gender non conforming ones, as it will go some way stop gender stereotypes from being reinforced by school management.