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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

What happened to the thread on the two school girls...

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ANameChangePresents · 18/06/2023 18:01

...who were being preached absolute codswallop at by their teacher?

I presume deleted, but why?

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FedgeHund · 20/06/2023 13:38

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/woman-who-endured-seven-month-delay-before-bowel-cancer-diagnosis-shares-key-symptoms/ar-AA1cMFc9

I can't find the article I was referring to in my deleted post.

Why are only some people believed?

These girls would not be believed without the recording. Their school records fabricated with DARVO fabrications.

I will try my point again.

Operations and drugs are refused to young people who are physically sick. The other article said that those with bowl cancer are taking up space in mental health services when their physical health is neglected they die and get very sick, they are not believed.

I suggested that there is a rampant issue with professionals, which I am not allowed to post.

Those who say that they are in need of operations and drugs with healthy bodies are told that they do not require Mental health services and are believed.

Local authorities will spend a fortune blocking assistance at school for children with SEND, there is a wider theme going on, we are not allowed to speak it's name.

MSN

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/woman-who-endured-seven-month-delay-before-bowel-cancer-diagnosis-shares-key-symptoms/ar-AA1cMFc9

Helleofabore · 20/06/2023 14:39

Stella O’Malley says this about affirming a ‘cat gender’.

^”Any adult who participates in a child identifying as a cat is colluding and enabling the dehumanisation of this child.
Don't do it.”^

https://twitter.com/stellaomalley3/status/1671050051647426562?s=46&t=HTxp6zC_d4GZ2FFv4a-YeQ

This entire gender identity issue is a huge mess for schools to navigate. I am sure most teachers are very concerned.

I am also sure that most teachers will feel not so alone reading the different reports of similar issues at different schools. That is, if they felt they were alone in dealing with dinosaurs and cats and feeling unsupported.

Of course, if you should not affirm on of the non-human genders, it pulls the entire load of genders into question. We have been told repeatedly from lobby groups that nothing but affirmation is acceptable. If cat gender is unacceptable as it is dehumanising, why is it different from NB, or any other trans identity?

https://twitter.com/stellaomalley3/status/1671050051647426562?s=46&t=HTxp6zC_d4GZ2FFv4a-YeQ

willingtolearn · 20/06/2023 15:07

It seems that we are keen on extending Piaget's 'magical thinking stage that children generally grow out of by 7.

It may be that a child with learning disability or particular vulnerability may hold on to that stage for longer to help them cope with a painful reality.

I would argue that a high use of gaming 'virtual reality' characters and avatars may also extend this way of thinking.

I believe that our role as adults is to help children and young people to come to understand the reality of the world around them. I don't think that's easy when the world is a scary place and growing up is not always comfortable or pleasant.

I feel sorry for that teacher in some ways. It can be really tough to balance ideas and differing opinions in a controversial debate, especially if there are very strong voices on one side.

But the teacher didn't do this - she essentially shouted down one side of the debate and said the whole isn't wasn't open to debate at all. Maybe she tried to do this to protect the vulnerable student but I still think she was wrong.

willingtolearn · 20/06/2023 15:13

isn't = issue

RoyalCorgi · 20/06/2023 15:22

What I find completely bizarre about all this is the ease with which teachers have apparently been co-opted into an ideology that is self-evidently nuts.

Lots of people, I'm sure, believe in the idea that it's possible to be born into the wrong body, that some men genuinely believe themselves to be women, and vice versa. I don't believe that but I can see why some people do.

Believing that it's possible to identify as a cat, though, or a dinosaur must stretch the credulity of everyone other than the truly gullible. If you're a teacher who thinks that it's right to refer to a boy as "she" if that's what the child wants, wouldn't your natural response to a child calling themselves a cat or a dinosaur be "stop taking the piss"? It quite obviously makes a mockery of the idea of trans identity.

How are trans activists on Twitter responding to this? Are they supporting the teachers, or are they criticising them? Or are they claiming it isn't really happening?

FedgeHund · 20/06/2023 16:13

Sagittariusrising · 20/06/2023 15:22

The DM have followed up today with this article on Furries. Dear god, how are these kids ever going to interact with adults when they go to work?

'Furries' article

The Americans think these children wear those outfits to school, they don't wear a uniform to school over there unless it's fee paying. The UK looks (fill in the blank).

FedgeHund · 20/06/2023 17:03

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yrGoopBhPYg&feature=youtu.be

I don't believe in encouraging unrepentant cowardice, that teaches a lesson to be learned - that everyone is to do the same next time as they are sacred castes.

I have empathy that people are paid a salary and pension to do a difficult job, we pay tax for them to do it, nobody put a gun to their head to take the job. I have zero sympathy for them as they refused to do their job, imagine if a care worker did not fancy changing a babies nappy, it's not nice it's part of the job, they do it. Safeguarding is a teachers job they thought they could ditch it, thought that they could perform experiments and remove patents responsibility (bully disabled children to go along with the ideology as participants or allies and not allow parents input or to view anything) without a court order, they wouldn't stand up at the beginning, they left a tiny minority to swing in the wind.

They can say "I am not like evil Posie Parker, go throw soup on her or Howard Donald, leave me alone" - to bully children and pretend I am nice then pretend I did not know it was wrong, innocent face!

I have no time for golden bridges for those who are not accepting the part they played in this. I don't believe people are all good, I believe they are all broken.

Teacher calls 13-year-old girl "despicable for not accepting a classmate identified as a cat

'This mess has frankly been shaped by activists... Schools are making fools of themselves by allowing themselves to be swayed.' Stella O'Malley reacts to a s...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=yrGoopBhPYg

Datun · 20/06/2023 18:20

'When schools then sanction those children for not going along with the concept that children have animal identities that are valid and authentic, we have to believe that those schools have been infiltrated and are no longer a safe place for children.'

^ that's by safe schools alliance.

And they're right. Furries is an adult sexual fetish. They are targeting children.

Helleofabore · 20/06/2023 18:23

Datun · 20/06/2023 18:20

'When schools then sanction those children for not going along with the concept that children have animal identities that are valid and authentic, we have to believe that those schools have been infiltrated and are no longer a safe place for children.'

^ that's by safe schools alliance.

And they're right. Furries is an adult sexual fetish. They are targeting children.

yes. This.

QuickWash · 20/06/2023 19:08

FedgeHund · 20/06/2023 17:03

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yrGoopBhPYg&feature=youtu.be

I don't believe in encouraging unrepentant cowardice, that teaches a lesson to be learned - that everyone is to do the same next time as they are sacred castes.

I have empathy that people are paid a salary and pension to do a difficult job, we pay tax for them to do it, nobody put a gun to their head to take the job. I have zero sympathy for them as they refused to do their job, imagine if a care worker did not fancy changing a babies nappy, it's not nice it's part of the job, they do it. Safeguarding is a teachers job they thought they could ditch it, thought that they could perform experiments and remove patents responsibility (bully disabled children to go along with the ideology as participants or allies and not allow parents input or to view anything) without a court order, they wouldn't stand up at the beginning, they left a tiny minority to swing in the wind.

They can say "I am not like evil Posie Parker, go throw soup on her or Howard Donald, leave me alone" - to bully children and pretend I am nice then pretend I did not know it was wrong, innocent face!

I have no time for golden bridges for those who are not accepting the part they played in this. I don't believe people are all good, I believe they are all broken.

I love Stella O Mallet and Gender: A wider lens is great too. Thanks for sharing this

FedgeHund · 20/06/2023 19:17

Datun · 20/06/2023 18:20

'When schools then sanction those children for not going along with the concept that children have animal identities that are valid and authentic, we have to believe that those schools have been infiltrated and are no longer a safe place for children.'

^ that's by safe schools alliance.

And they're right. Furries is an adult sexual fetish. They are targeting children.

Tanya should be nominated for the Kings New years honours, she and a minority were hung out to dry by their cowardly colleagues. I am not good at English so can't fill out the form.

ScrollingLeaves · 20/06/2023 20:00

I can see why children would identify as animals so as to be the very little creatures they would themselves give hugs and cuddles to. It may be a cry for cuddles and an escape from all the horrors of humans.

Or it also could be a bit like being their own daemons, the opposite sex animal/soul counterparts of the children in Northern Lights.

It is evidently another version of ‘gender’, and the children must be troubled.

Piccalillipromises · 20/06/2023 20:41

I saw these in a toy shop last year, and being aware of furries was a little disturbed what with all the gender weirdness going on, but now I'm really really disturbed by them!

https://www.smythstoys.com/uk/en-gb/toys/fashion-and-dolls/barbie/barbie-cutie-reveal/c/barbie-cutie-reveal

https://www.smythstoys.com/uk/en-gb/toys/fashion-and-dolls/barbie/barbie-cutie-reveal/c/barbie-cutie-reveal

ScrollingLeaves · 20/06/2023 20:52

Piccalillipromises · Today 20:41
I saw these in a toy shop last year, and being aware of furries was a little disturbed what with all the gender weirdness going on, but now I'm really really disturbed by them!

https://www.smythstoys.com/uk/en-gb/toys/fashion-and-dolls/barbie/barbie-cutie-reveal/c/barbie-cutie-reveal
https://www.smythstoys.com/uk/en-gb/toys/fashion-and-dolls/barbie/barbie-c

Those certainly are creepy and disturbing Piccalili. They’ve mixed in the US ‘gender reveal’ idea, I suppose, with ‘Furries’. They are horrible. It just goes to show this manipulation of children is coming from big companies too.

https://www.smythstoys.com/uk/en-gb/toys/fashion-and-dolls/barbie/barbie-cutie-reveal/c/barbie-cutie-reveal

DdraigGoch · 20/06/2023 21:32

Catgenderis a xenogender in which someone feels an extremely strong connection to cats or other felines, either strongly identifying with them

I should probably identify as a cat. I'd gladly spend all day in bed.

What happened to the thread on the two school girls...
zibzibara · 20/06/2023 22:35

Browsing the Ofsted website earlier today I came across this gem in one of the inspection reports:

What happened to the thread on the two school girls...
EpicChaos · 20/06/2023 22:38

What is social services policy, on parents that put their neo cats out for the night at bedtime? :-/

FedgeHund · 21/06/2023 06:48

I have recordings of professionals made last year, that would shock people.

I was very distressed by the experience last year. I think in the current climate I should release them, we have been discussing if we should since the girls did. It's not just me with recordings the other person is worried that I will be targeted further, they managed to record them ridicule the professionals last time and the professionals quit after that other person intervened to help me.

I was targeted by TRA public servants for requesting safeguarding, basically what woke TRA staff did would put the shivers down the nation's spines.

I am not joining tic tock, is there another way to share videos, the worst is much like the girls, no faces shown, a ceiling corner in the worst one where the other person says something like "you are targeting her for saying she does not believe that men are women" they then sheepishly admit it, they were sent by TRA colleagues who made lots of fabrications about me to them.

thirdfiddle · 21/06/2023 07:53

zibzibara. 😂😂I see what you did there. Presumably from a childminder's report and in original context meaning they /shouldn't/ have access.

Barbadossunset · 21/06/2023 08:14

This is from an article in the Daily Telegraph today:

The Telegraph can reveal that teaching assistants at other schools are taking children who identify as horses out cantering and feeding strips of meat to those who consider themselves to be dinosaurs

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 21/06/2023 08:18

Barbadossunset · 21/06/2023 08:14

This is from an article in the Daily Telegraph today:

The Telegraph can reveal that teaching assistants at other schools are taking children who identify as horses out cantering and feeding strips of meat to those who consider themselves to be dinosaurs

Err, really?

I’m going to need a link to the article before I believe that!

RoyalCorgi · 21/06/2023 08:21

Barbadossunset · 21/06/2023 08:14

This is from an article in the Daily Telegraph today:

The Telegraph can reveal that teaching assistants at other schools are taking children who identify as horses out cantering and feeding strips of meat to those who consider themselves to be dinosaurs

That seems incredibly unlikely and I am beginning to wonder if some people are just taking the piss out of the Telegraph.

Barbadossunset · 21/06/2023 08:25

If you google this the article should come up.

‘School in cat self-ID row faces investigation’

Barbadossunset · 21/06/2023 08:29

I’m going to need a link to the article before I believe that!

Bernard did you think I made it up?

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