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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Video of Starbucks employee in UK branch

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FisherthemsFriend · 08/05/2023 11:11

https://twitter.com/RupertMyers/status/1655477645184835586

It’s not clear what the customer said, it’s presumed she misgenders the employee as he calls her transphobic. He calls her Karen and then either grabs the phone or the person who’s filming.

https://twitter.com/RupertMyers/status/1655477645184835586

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Usedtobeuser76538 · 09/05/2023 22:17

TBF I always thought they had decided to call themselves after their pet dog. I googled it tonight & discovered it was used in Harry Potter.

Xenia · 09/05/2023 22:17

Apparently the lady was told she could not pay with cash. The staff - two of them - were both rude to her, one emptied her whole handbag out in front of her (this is not on the recording her husband made that is on twitter but is on the Starbucks internal CCTV (presumably why the staff member has rightly lost their job), and various other things said to her, clapped into her face and was dreadfully rude just because she thought the man was a man or something along those lines.

The biggest bit of the story is really that in 2023 women at very long last seem to be able to speak about this on MN and elsewhere, express our views in a way I doubt was so at Peak Trans period.

LizzieSiddal · 09/05/2023 22:22

@Usedtobeuser76538 Thanks for explaining. I too was thinking How Many Trans People are we talking about. I had thought maybe with VTP being a They/Them there were two of him 😂 But no! there were two trans people behind that counter!

StarbucksKaren · 09/05/2023 22:24

Rightsraptor · 09/05/2023 22:02

So not Karen at all, but Vanessa.

I don't understand the DM story. The bloke who kicked off and was clapping in Vanessa's face and calling her Karen etc is trans, isn't he? But his ire was provoked by Vanessa referring to one of the other staff as a 'lady', this person apparently not IDing as a woman. Have I got that right?

So how many trans people should we expect any one branch of Starbucks to contain?

Yes @Rightsraptor you've got it! Right down to the glorious detail of the misnamed customer being called Vanessa. Such hypocrisy when misgendering isn’t allowed.

I saw a list of all the viral ‘Karens’ recently which makes the point that none of them are called Karen. Central Park Karen is called Amy etc.

If Vanessa’s ‘crime’ against this employee went viral she’d be StarbucksKaren = transphobic

littleripper · 09/05/2023 22:25

Usedtobeuser76538 · 09/05/2023 22:13

There are two NBPs involved. The first one on the till looks female but has "they" on their badge. They told Vanessa from Cowes that she couldn't pay with cash.

Very Tall Pink Haired Person (VTPHP) who also prefers to be called "they" kicked off as their colleague had been misgendered by Vanessa from Cowes. VTPHP was not referred to as a lady at any point.

Ohhhhhh thanks so much! I was utterly baffled!

WarningToTheCurious · 09/05/2023 22:27

Usedtobeuser76538 · 09/05/2023 22:08

@Rightsraptor I can assure you that it is very common in this branch of Starbucks. Most of the staff use regular names alongside their pronouns, but the extremely tall pink haired person has picked a name from Harry Potter to add to the confusion.

Moaning Myrtle?

Although they/them/zir/zei etc would surely be a traitor to the cause using a name from a JKR book?

ArcaneWireless · 09/05/2023 22:28

dapsnotplimsolls · 09/05/2023 22:03

I'm sure there's a joke in there somewhere - how many Trans/Nbs does it take to make a cup of coffee?

😈

Usedtobeuser76538 · 09/05/2023 22:28

Presumably Person Behind the Till had already asked Vanessa from Cowes her name for the sticker on the cup before VTPHP even got involved. VTPHP had no excuse to call Vanessa from Cowes Karen.

WarningToTheCurious · 09/05/2023 22:31

Usedtobeuser76538 · 09/05/2023 22:17

TBF I always thought they had decided to call themselves after their pet dog. I googled it tonight & discovered it was used in Harry Potter.

Now I’m hoping it’s Fang.

ArabeIIaScott · 09/05/2023 22:32

WarningToTheCurious · 09/05/2023 22:31

Now I’m hoping it’s Fang.

Rumpelstiltskin.

ArabeIIaScott · 09/05/2023 22:32

Is it 'Fluffy'?

ArabeIIaScott · 09/05/2023 22:33

They can't be Sirius!

ArcaneWireless · 09/05/2023 22:33

🤣 fluffy 🤣

StarbucksKaren · 09/05/2023 22:35

Xenia · 09/05/2023 22:17

Apparently the lady was told she could not pay with cash. The staff - two of them - were both rude to her, one emptied her whole handbag out in front of her (this is not on the recording her husband made that is on twitter but is on the Starbucks internal CCTV (presumably why the staff member has rightly lost their job), and various other things said to her, clapped into her face and was dreadfully rude just because she thought the man was a man or something along those lines.

The biggest bit of the story is really that in 2023 women at very long last seem to be able to speak about this on MN and elsewhere, express our views in a way I doubt was so at Peak Trans period.

@Xenia I also really hope we’re passed peak trans when the only permitted stance would be to demonise and cancel Vanessa for her hate crime against a vulnerable person from a persecuted minority

FisherthemsFriend · 09/05/2023 22:38

Padfoot?

Do you think there’s a cluster of trans-identifying people in the area around this Starbucks on the census map?

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ArabeIIaScott · 09/05/2023 22:40

Ripper?

ApocalipstickNow · 09/05/2023 22:41

Cluster like headaches?

howdoesatoastermaketoast · 09/05/2023 22:42

RealityFan · 09/05/2023 21:22

I must be getting old, I just can't keep up anymore! Lol.

more to the point they just became the answer to the question what does narcissistic rage look like

https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-narcissistic-rage-5183744

What Is Narcissistic Rage?

Narcissistic rage is a behavior sometimes exhibited by people with narcissistic personality disorder. Learn the signs and what to do if you experience this behavior.

https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-narcissistic-rage-5183744

TrashyPanda · 09/05/2023 22:42

Mad-Eye Moody?

it would fit

Rightsraptor · 09/05/2023 22:43

@Usedtobeuser76538 you must know that branch well. I haven't darkened Starbucks' door for many years (initially because the coffee was crap, then they got involved in all the trans stuff) but is there any particular reason why that branch seems have a disproportionate (compared to the general population) number of umbrella folk? If it was Brighton I could understand it. But Southampton ferry terminal?

Justmuddlingalong · 09/05/2023 22:44

Bellatrix Lestrange?

Waitwhat23 · 09/05/2023 22:46

Ooh, now I'm intrigued as to the Harry Potter name. List of possibles -

Basilisk
Phoenix
Fawkes
Aragog
Kreacher
Crookshanks

ArabeIIaScott · 09/05/2023 22:47

Quidditch
Snitch
Hagrid

Usedtobeuser76538 · 09/05/2023 22:48

Definitely not Fluffy!

There are 2 universities and a college on the doorstep. We're a bit short of coffee options when commuting too & from the Island and Steam at the ferry terminal refuses to let customers use reusable cups. Lesser of 2 evils.

ArcaneWireless · 09/05/2023 22:49

snitch has just given me bastardin hiccups

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