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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Video of Starbucks employee in UK branch

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FisherthemsFriend · 08/05/2023 11:11

https://twitter.com/RupertMyers/status/1655477645184835586

It’s not clear what the customer said, it’s presumed she misgenders the employee as he calls her transphobic. He calls her Karen and then either grabs the phone or the person who’s filming.

https://twitter.com/RupertMyers/status/1655477645184835586

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Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 08/05/2023 12:37

Estrogen isn’t good for the male body. It causes mood swings, erodes the integrity of the cerebral cortex , as well as having long term deleterious effects on bone strength.

PronounssheRa · 08/05/2023 12:38

The allegation from the video seems to be misgendering.

I'm guessing if something awful had have happened the employee would have been happy to have had the incident on film. Instead they storm at whoever was filming to stop the recording

PennyAndThatSword · 08/05/2023 12:38

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It never surprises me when some (insert adjective) godwins the thread to deflect it from the real issue of a man becoming threatening and violent towards a womanHmm

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 08/05/2023 12:39

EarthSight · 08/05/2023 12:36

This coffee shop staff member wanted to act without being accountable. I bet you they'd been fantasising of that moment they finally get to clap in a middle-age woman's face and call her Karen. Didn't expect to be filmed doing it though....that clearly wasn't allowed.

This.

And - not that anything would justify his behaviour - but he doesn't present as in any way female, other than having long hair. So, how would she know that he identifies as trans?

LooseFit · 08/05/2023 12:39

Typical aggressive male behaviour.

Mincepiethief · 08/05/2023 12:40

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I also worked in hospitality while studying and dealt with some nightmare customers - although none said anything as offensive as yours, thank goodness. One woman did throw a coffee cup (full of fresh, boiling hot coffee) at my head though, because she didn’t think it had the right amount of foam on top. Do you know what I didn’t do? I didn’t confront her, shout at her, or get in her face, because I am a small woman and have been socialised to keep the peace, particularly in my place of work. Whatever this customer said to the barista (and I have my suspicions!) the response is highly aggressive and smacks of male pattern behaviour.

ILikeDungs · 08/05/2023 12:42

It is an unfortunate fact that some customers are trash and should be treated accordingly.

No.

AlisonDonut · 08/05/2023 12:42

Quick a squirrelllllll...look over here.

AutumnCrow · 08/05/2023 12:42

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TooOldForThisNonsense · 08/05/2023 12:44

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Did she, aye?

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 08/05/2023 12:46

TooOldForThisNonsense · 08/05/2023 12:44

Did she, aye?

"And then the whole bus clapped"

Justme56 · 08/05/2023 12:46

The amount of times they write the wrong name on a cup they have no room to start complaining about misgendering. Out in the real world if you look like a man you will get referred to as a man. We interact with strangers all the time and literally nobody is going to start asking for your pronouns. However if he thinks that is a problem then did he assume the woman’s gender by referring to her as ‘Karen’?

PinkFootstool · 08/05/2023 12:47

Angry entitled violent men gonna be angry entitled violent men. Someone can call themselves what they will, the behaviour is exactly the same.

AutumnCrow · 08/05/2023 12:49

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 08/05/2023 12:46

"And then the whole bus clapped"

And then the whole café gasped

Justmuddlingalong · 08/05/2023 12:53

Awaiting his "I was premenstrual" explanation. 🙄

nilsmousehammer · 08/05/2023 12:57

It is an unfortunate fact that some customers are trash and should be treated accordingly.

No.

No human is 'trash' and violence is unacceptable. Sociopathy is illness, not an aspiration.

NicCageisnotNickCave · 08/05/2023 12:57

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You are getting really good at making excuses for aggressive males, Landy -your practice is clearly paying off’

Helleofabore · 08/05/2023 13:01

To be fair, I think this male staff member did not call her a Karen. Just said ‘you are trespassing now’.

slithytoveisascientist · 08/05/2023 13:03

Helleofabore · 08/05/2023 13:01

To be fair, I think this male staff member did not call her a Karen. Just said ‘you are trespassing now’.

He did call her Karen it's in the video

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 08/05/2023 13:03

Helleofabore · 08/05/2023 13:01

To be fair, I think this male staff member did not call her a Karen. Just said ‘you are trespassing now’.

He does call her a Karen - it's 9 seconds into the video.

Scaryshepherd · 08/05/2023 13:03

Helleofabore · 08/05/2023 13:01

To be fair, I think this male staff member did not call her a Karen. Just said ‘you are trespassing now’.

One of the first things I heard on the video was “you are really transphobic Karen, now get out”.

Tinktravels · 08/05/2023 13:15

Why does no one step in to help her?
He was clearly very aggressive and no one stuck up for her.

EveryWitchWaybutLoose · 08/05/2023 13:18

My favourite local chain coffee shop (not Starbucks) had a barista who was clearly a woman, but who wore a "He/Him" pronoun badge. (She made great coffee, btw!)

But a couple of weeks earlier I'd interacted with her at my gym, when she asked my PT about a weighted vest while he was taking me for a session. So I chatted with her about her training for a try out for the Army. I figure if someone interrupts MY session, I can talk to them - although a lot of the time people ignore me & just talk to my trainer (it annoys me, but that's another thread).

It made me think - she was clearly female, but her own mental illness (can't describe it as anything else - she looked almost anorexic and very nervy at the gym) was requiring me to deny the evidence of my own eyes. The cognitive dissonance felt awful, and yet I felt compassion that she was obviously going through something.

I stopped using that café branch.

Sorry a bit off-topic, I s'pse, but akin to the OP in that as a customer, I was being required to deny my own experience in any engagement with that barista.

It's an example of the difficult moments we face when one doesn't want to be rude/unkind/transphobic about an individual, but one does NOT want to succumb or acquiesce to a dangerous ideology, such as transactivist extremist gender ideology.

ArabeIIaScott · 08/05/2023 13:22

Anyone who has worked in public facing roles could recite stories about difficult customers, but don't see wtf it has to do with this film.

Even dealing with very rude members of the public I managed never to be aggressive or assault anyone, somehow.

Aggression and violence is a choice.

Waitymatey · 08/05/2023 13:22

Starbucks is my favourite coffee chain but boycotting after this. Can’t believe people are trying to justify this behaviour due to stress of working in hospitality 😂😂- try teaching

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