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Newnamenewname109870 · 12/04/2023 13:36

risefromyourgrave · 12/04/2023 07:52

It’s this part that drives me mad;
He was told at the round table by 11-year-old trans girl, Daley: 'I learned out of the cradle that I was a boy: "I should like blue, I should like sports, I should be manly, I should like superheroes".'
As Radcliffe nodded, she continued: 'And I never associated myself with those things and we are told that we are not old enough to know this yet. I am only 11-years-old, how do I know I'm a girl? And I need more time to think about this.'

Daley should be helped to see that you don’t have to like blue, sports or superheroes to be a man, not told that that makes a girl, JFC, the absolute regressive nests of the trans ideology drives me mad!
But no, Daniel bloody Radcliffe just nods along like an absolute dick and advocates for sterilisation and mutilation of kids who don’t conform, way to go! What a shame none of the integrity of the HP books rubbed off on him.

Sure if that’s what actually happened. I find it more likely that the daily fail did their job of twisting it very nicely.

MerlinsLostMarbles · 12/04/2023 13:59

Robinni · 12/04/2023 12:25

His gf is pregnant with first baby, perhaps when he becomes a parent he will cease pushing wokery on innocent children. Fgs what 20yo knows who they are?!

He is beyond privileged.

Also bad form that Erin Darke is being called a trans woman online (apparently) just because she is big boned and tall, and going out with the very tiny and petite Daniel Radcliffe. Shame on him for bringing all this to her door when she should be enjoying her pregnancy in peace. But then he hasn’t bothered to marry her either so what can you expect!

I've seen a lot of misogynist comments made towards Erin Darke on Twitter, including suggestions she must be trans based on judgements on her appearance.

I can't see what she's done to deserve this, other than be partners with someone who has voiced views that Gender Critical people may disagree with.

And I thought people "can always tell" what sex someone else? So do people really need to be asking if a pregnant woman is trans?

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/04/09/daniel-radcliffe-erin-darke-transphobia/

SinnerBoy · 12/04/2023 13:59

JustDudeIt · Today 09:54

He’s not the sharpest tool

He's certainly a bit of a tool.

ScrollingLeaves · 12/04/2023 14:00

Wanderingowl · Today 12:42
ScrollingLeaves This would have been around 2016, so I guess it was just as transactivism was just starting to ramp up…….

Thank you very much for your answer @Wandering. I am always interested to hear the details of how parents like you get it right and how children like your DS calmly hold their own.

OutsideitsAmerica · 12/04/2023 14:03

I think he genuinely believes that he’s preventing those kids doing something rash. He’s being held hostage by the threat of some of their alleged intentions - like many parents are. It’s not easy being a parent and holding firm in the face of a seriously depressed child threatening to ‘do something’ unless they’re provided with their requested hormones, surgeries etc… a horrible place to be for all parties. We all know that affirming your child is initially easier but we don’t get to just do to the ‘easy’ stuff as parents - it’s often a long term-investment of love with no immediate reward.

OldCrone · 12/04/2023 14:20

Newnamenewname109870 · 12/04/2023 13:36

Sure if that’s what actually happened. I find it more likely that the daily fail did their job of twisting it very nicely.

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You can watch the whole video here:

The quote from Daley is at about 4:30. Radcliffe's response is exactly as quoted by the Daily Mail.

If you want to know what was actually said you can watch the whole thing. It's only about 20 mins long.

Sharing Space - Episode 1: Daniel Radcliffe

We're proud to share the first episode of Sharing Space, moderated by longtime supporter of The Trevor Project Daniel Radcliffe. Sharing Space, a new roundta...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBFvppAL48U

Mollyollydolly · 12/04/2023 14:22

I cannot wait for them to make the Harry Potter series with a new Harry. Once that's done you'll no-longer be Harry Potter Daniel, and no-one will care what you think.

WickedSerious · 12/04/2023 14:28

Animalsoffartingwood · 12/04/2023 08:01

I like blue. Off to fashion myself a penis out of any offal I find lying about.

Try a Quorn sausage.

Or two if you can only find the cocktail ones.

Jumpersaurus · 12/04/2023 14:52

I wonder would he put as much trust in an 11-year-old picking out a face tattoo? And if not, why not?

risefromyourgrave · 12/04/2023 14:54

Newnamenewname109870 · 12/04/2023 13:36

Sure if that’s what actually happened. I find it more likely that the daily fail did their job of twisting it very nicely.

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Well there’s a video, so watch it and make up your own mind.

WinterTrees · 12/04/2023 15:00

Thanks for the video link OldCrone. I haven't got time to watch it all now, but I saw the first couple of minutes and what strikes me in Daniel Radcliffe's introduction piece to camera is his palpable air of desperation to be liked. It's stamped on his face (the wide eyes and perma-raised eyebrows) and comes across clearly in his tone and his body language.

I remember noticing the same thing with Emma Watson in that cringey interview she did with Paris Lees. I wonder if it's partly a result of being child stars, and the people-pleasing tendencies that situation must massively overdevelop. Also an awareness of their own privilege, which makes them frantically apologetic and keen to abase themselves and make space for 'the most marginalised ever.' Except that they have been brought up in such a bubble that the people they think are the most marginalised ever are those who have enough of a voice and a profile to push themselves forward and demand attention, which means the genuinely marginalised are so off the radar of people like Radcliffe and Watson they may as well exist on another planet.

I think becoming a parent is going to be interesting and challenging for Radcliffe. Before we have babies we all like to think we'll be that cool parent who is mates with their kids, but it doesn't take long for reality to dawn and stuff about boundaries, saying no and being the unpopular adult starts to make sense.

IsadoraQuagmire · 12/04/2023 15:08

Abhannmor · 12/04/2023 12:23

Apologies if it's already been said but - the more I see of Radcliffe the more sympathy I feel for Mr and Mrs Dursley.

They knew he was a wrong un.

😁I love Harry in the actual books, but if he had been anything like Harry in the films, or the gormless and untalented "actor" who played him, I'd have been all for the Dursleys padlocking him into his cupboard under the stairs and never letting him out again

waterlego · 12/04/2023 15:30

DR comes across as quite dim.

raspberrywine · 12/04/2023 15:43

Daniel Radcliffe is involved with the Trevor Project in the US, isn't he? They have an online chat forum type thing for children. I remember Gays against Groomers wrote a piece on the organisation. It sounds like a lapse in safeguarding practices similar to Mermaids.

MrsMurphyIWish · 12/04/2023 16:01

WickedSerious · 12/04/2023 14:28

Try a Quorn sausage.

Or two if you can only find the cocktail ones.

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Watch that episode of “Friends” where Joe needs a foreskin for a part and Monica fashions various ones!

MrsMurphyIWish · 12/04/2023 16:09

Wanderingowl · 12/04/2023 12:06

At that age my DS was very keen to grow up so he could grow a baby in his tummy and feed it milkies (breastfeed). He was genuinely devastated when I told him that wouldn't be happening because he would grow up to be a man and men can't do that. He actually asked me if there was any way a boy could grow up to be a woman because he'd like to do that if it meant he could grow a baby. This was a few years before I peaked but I still explained to him that while there were boys who grow up to feel like they should be a woman. They could only make themselves look more like a women but couldn't change biologically, so still couldn't get pregnant or breastfeed.

At that age he also had a baby doll that he took care of and pushed in a pram, a play kitchen that he enjoyed 'cooking' at and got very into Barbie and My Little Pony. He had long hair that he was very happy with and would occasionally choose an Elsa dress if he was playing dress up. So there are definitely some parents who would have taken that as a cue to start transitioning him. When they only thing he needed was for me to explain that while he'd never get pregnant or be a mummy, men still have to provide an ingredient for a woman to grow a baby and that makes them the baby's daddy. Even when a child fixates on really wanting to do one of the few things that their sex will actually prevent them from doing, it's still possible to gently bring them around to accepting reality.

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I have a video of my now 8 year old son dancing along to “the greatest showman” at 4 in the only dress up gear we had in the house - his sister’s clothes (and she was massively into Disney at the time). He did have a plastic golf club for his cane.

Why do we feel the need to pigeon hole children? He’s now 8 and a “mini rocker” playing the drums and wants to be a DJ. My daughter who was the Disney Princess is now a footballer and wannabe zombie film maker.

MrsMurphyIWish · 12/04/2023 16:11

MrsMurphyIWish · 12/04/2023 16:09

I have a video of my now 8 year old son dancing along to “the greatest showman” at 4 in the only dress up gear we had in the house - his sister’s clothes (and she was massively into Disney at the time). He did have a plastic golf club for his cane.

Why do we feel the need to pigeon hole children? He’s now 8 and a “mini rocker” playing the drums and wants to be a DJ. My daughter who was the Disney Princess is now a footballer and wannabe zombie film maker.

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And 4 years from now that all could change again - and this is what is dangerous. Why can’t we let kids just “grow”?

Boiledbeetle · 12/04/2023 16:29

I remember being 11. I thought I was the big I am and knew everything about everything. I thought I knew what I wanted from life!

I was wrong!

On all counts.

SidewaysOtter · 12/04/2023 16:50

Boiledbeetle · 12/04/2023 16:29

I remember being 11. I thought I was the big I am and knew everything about everything. I thought I knew what I wanted from life!

I was wrong!

On all counts.

I quite clearly remember being not much older when my periods started and I was absolutely adamant that I wanted a hysterectomy because I wanted to go back to being able to play outside, up trees and be out and about all day without having to think about sanpro. I absolutely did not want to be a girl any more.

It terrifies me to think that if that had happened in the 2020s rather than the 1990s, there might have been a very different outcome for me (and pretty much every other girl that hated puberty and burgeoning womanhood).

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 12/04/2023 16:51

"Film star talks bollocks about things he doesn't understand".

Daley added: 'I don't understand why I can't just decide that I'm a girl.'

Same reason you can't just decide you're Leonard Cohen. You're Daley. You have the body you have which is male, and you can't have a girl's body or a woman's body no matter how many hormones you take or nasty surgical procedures you suffer. Even if you do them all then the body you get will probably not even look female and in any case it wont function like a girl's or woman's. The most you will achieve is to fuck up your well-functioning male body in ways that you can't yet understand or relate to.

Yes, children can harmlessly choose to wear a sparkly tutu or play football no matter what sex/gender they are. But the consequences of parents letting kids believe that they can choose their own sex/gender are dire.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 12/04/2023 16:56

(PS I assume neither Daniel Radcliffe nor Daley are reading this thread - I wouldn't say "fuck up" to a child)

MagicKittens · 12/04/2023 17:02

DS passionately wanted to be a girl at 11 for the deep reason that as a rather good boy treble, he didn't want his voice to break.

He wrote 1st person stories as a girl, begged for a guardian angel and prayed dramatically in cathedrals.

He denies any of this now and says we have very strange memories that make him look weird.

Puberty is tough on a lot of kids. They don't know what adulthood is like and don't want to find out.

JanesLittleGirl · 12/04/2023 17:11

When I was One,
I had just begun.
When I was Two,
I was nearly new.
When I was Three
I was hardly me.
When I was Four,
I was not much more.
When I was Five, I was just alive.
But now I am Six, I'm as clever as clever,
So I think I'll be six now for ever and ever.

A.A. Milne, Now We Are Six

RedToothBrush · 12/04/2023 17:45

What was Radcliffe doing at age 11? Working.

He was exposed to adulthood at an extremely early age. His experience of reality and ability to make decisions is warped. Probably because he got lucky and had a good team around him protecting him, which is the exception rather than the rule for child stars.

So I can understand why he would have this warped notion that children have the ability to make these decisions.

But that neglects the issue that a lot of children are way more immature and vulnerable than he ever was and aren't necessarily surrounded by people who have their best interests at heart.

This also doesn't cover all the ethical reasons or medical harm results for raising concerns. He has just instantly dismissed them saying that doesn't matter, the only thing that matters is children get what they want. Trouble is what they think they want and the reality of what's on offer don't match.

This is all a reflection of his childhood and having to grow up very early in a very protected environment though. I hope he has a child who suddenly makes him reconsider a lot of this...

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 12/04/2023 17:52

I hope he has a child who suddenly makes him reconsider a lot of this...

By the time his child gets to early teens there will be some other dangerous craze. Trans wont totally go away, same as anorexia hasn't totally gone away, and drugs and porn online haven't totally gone away, but the big dangerous craze will probably be something new that we can't imagine yet. And his child may be very vulnerable to it just because stage and film stars' children do tend to be. Whether he will make the connection with "trans teens" now, who knows.