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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
Datun · 12/04/2023 10:16

FrancescaContini · 12/04/2023 10:08

Ah, but how do we know he was a child? That’s a very “condescending” assumption to make, @Datun

Well, in my defence, every time he opens his mouth, he makes me want to condescend my arse off.

It's not altogether unsurprising that maybe he and JKR don't see eye to eye 😁

Gastonia · 12/04/2023 10:16

Why is an adult man with no training hanging out with a bunch of young teenagers and making pronouncements about parenting?
This, absolutely.

I would like to know how the meeting was all set up etc, because DR isn't responsible for those young people's safeguarding himself. He's an actor looking for a (totally and utterly misguided, to put it generously) PR opportunity. Those young people are being failed by someone closer to home.

Louiseandsophie · 12/04/2023 10:16

OldCrone · 12/04/2023 10:01

now you can change sex

??????????

You can't change sex. Surely you know this?

As in 'Sex change'... Biologically change?,.. no.

LunaNorth · 12/04/2023 10:18

Wonder if Warner Brothers are paying him to peddle this crap, to counteract the Rowling Effect?

JulieHoney · 12/04/2023 10:18

Louiseandsophie · 12/04/2023 09:35

Why, 'Born a certain sex' means exactly the same as 'Born a certain gender' does it not? Born a boy biologically, born a girl biologically, biology determines a girl or boy... The sex I was born is female, I am of the female sex. Enough?

Sex is female or male and cannot be changed. Your midwife tells you your baby’s sex.

Gender is imposed externally by society’s norms and stereotypes of femininity and masculinity (these vary widely across cultures and historical periods). Feminists have been fighting to dismantle gender expectations for decades.

Louiseandsophie · 12/04/2023 10:21

JulieHoney · 12/04/2023 10:18

Sex is female or male and cannot be changed. Your midwife tells you your baby’s sex.

Gender is imposed externally by society’s norms and stereotypes of femininity and masculinity (these vary widely across cultures and historical periods). Feminists have been fighting to dismantle gender expectations for decades.

Then I mean sex. ... But why to people have gender reveal party's?

Datun · 12/04/2023 10:22

Louiseandsophie · 12/04/2023 10:16

As in 'Sex change'... Biologically change?,.. no.

A 'sex change' doesn't change your sex.

It's cosmetic surgery to help give the superficial appearance of different genitalia.

With trans identified men, something like only 5% of them have it. And with women, it's even less. One or two percent i believe.

Indeed many men who identify as women thoroughly enjoy having a penis, and refer to themselves presenting as women, as gender euphoria, rather than gender dysphoria.

Datun · 12/04/2023 10:23

Louiseandsophie · 12/04/2023 10:21

Then I mean sex. ... But why to people have gender reveal party's?

Because 'sex reveal' doesn't sound very polite! But that's what it is.

ditalini · 12/04/2023 10:26

I find it horribly fascinating how entrenched these gender stereotypes are in our society. They were fizzling out for a bit but have come back with a vengeance, arguably especially for girls who had made most progress and are now back in a female=long hair box, but of course most boys never even made it out of the box in the first place.

It's almost unbelievable that any adult could listen to that 11 year old and not remind them almost reflexively that you don't have to like any colour or particular activities to be a boy. But no, nod along Daniel.

Friends of the family in the US have a daughter who is transitioning at the moment. As children the boys were dressed as mini-mes of their dad, played sports and were always being praised for being tall and strong. The daughter had long curled or braided hair, really impractical dresses on any time I saw her and the mother was clearly uncomfortable that she were also tall and strong like her dad. It felt like she was always being squashed down.

Anyway, same sex attracted daughter is now a straight boy - hurrah! And they're hugely supportive and daughter says she's now so happy that she's her true self, so that's great... I dunno, maybe there were other ways of being a girl that she never grew up to learn and they just can't see.

BiologicalKitty · 12/04/2023 10:26

Methinks Dan is paving the way to announce being trans.

Needmoresleep · 12/04/2023 10:30

Methinks that Daniel knows his main audience is made up of those in their 20s who grew up with the books then the films. Any work he gets will be because of his appeal to them.

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Baabaa75 · 12/04/2023 10:30

Urghfedup · 12/04/2023 08:38

My nearly 11 year old spent yesterday pretending to be a dog. She’d have little idea what trans is and I’m hoping to keep her a child for a little longer without any of this being pushed on her.

My little boy swaps between being a cat and being a mummy. I live in fear of him doing it at his rather woke nursery 😔 (we're pulling him out of there as of next month) 🤷

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 12/04/2023 10:36

Then I mean sex. ... But why to people have gender reveal party's?

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I think it's that people are icky about using the word "sex" are they still 9?! and innocently use the word gender instead.

This I think is one of the small reasons why this nonsense has gained traction so quickly

Louiseandsophie · 12/04/2023 10:37

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 12/04/2023 10:36

Then I mean sex. ... But why to people have gender reveal party's?

//

I think it's that people are icky about using the word "sex" are they still 9?! and innocently use the word gender instead.

This I think is one of the small reasons why this nonsense has gained traction so quickly

This^ Agree.

Clymene · 12/04/2023 10:38

BiologicalKitty · 12/04/2023 10:26

Methinks Dan is paving the way to announce being trans.

Nah I don't think so. He does know that most of his fans are teenage kids and he needs the American ones to like him because his royalties from the HP films will be the lion's share of his income as he's such a terrible actor.

It's self serving, nothing more.

Ourladycheesusedatum · 12/04/2023 10:40

Louiseandsophie · 12/04/2023 10:21

Then I mean sex. ... But why to people have gender reveal party's?

They mean sex.

How could they possibly choose a gender out of the 90 billion options.
And what would that look like.

I'll take my personal favourite
Gender apathetic demi boi maverique.

What would that look like to a parent, how will they with external items show what that babies gender is?

ScrollingLeaves · 12/04/2023 10:50

That cliche of “Kids telling [someone] who they are” is so inane when it is involving the destruction of their own body and peace of mind. That presentation is symptom of trying to escape from themselves because something is wrong. Being trans will not create their true self, and is unlikely to provide an answer.

True selves develop over time, are helped by having a healthy body, and are not ‘gender identities’.

IcakethereforeIam · 12/04/2023 10:52

I wonder if this thread will go the way of all Daniel Radcliffe threads?

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 12/04/2023 10:52

He’s quite thick.

WinterTrees · 12/04/2023 11:08

I think 'gender reveal' parties are largely an American thing that has gained traction over here thanks to social media. It has its roots in capitalism and the need to make people buy stuff - most immediately all the pink/blue plastic tat to host the party - the balloons and paper cups and streamers and cake toppers and all that, closely followed by the pink/blue nursery furnishings and the correctly coloured newborn outfits and pushchair/car seat/high chair. Having a second baby of the opposite sex to your first? Chuck out all that wrongly coloured stuff and buy it all from scratch!

Of course the endgame of this is capitalism's ultimate win in the modern world.... If you don't like your birth 'gender' you can change it! Buy drugs from private practitioners and seek out expensive medical procedures, and of course invest heavily in all the stereotyped trappings of a sexist culture and Bob's your Uncle (or Aunt) - a whole new you!

FannyCann · 12/04/2023 11:23

"He was told at the round table by 11-year-old trans girl, Daley: 'I learned out of the cradle that I was a boy: "I should like blue, I should like sports, I should be manly, I should like superheroes".'
As Radcliffe nodded, she continued: 'And I never associated myself with those things and we are told that we are not old enough to know this yet. I am only 11-years-old, how do I know I'm a girl? And I need more time to think about this.'"

It's straight out of the playbook isn't it?

MissingMoominMamma · 12/04/2023 11:27

I spent my childhood and adolescence dressed in boys’ clothes, riding a boy’s bike, hanging around with boys.

I didn’t need to bind my tits to do that; it’s perfectly possible do do it with them hanging free.

What I hate is that kids have less choice now, to be who they actually are, without needing to be labelled.

bigbabycooker · 12/04/2023 11:32

Daniel Radcliffe struggled with fame when young and has admitted to being an alcoholic. Presumably, he understands that people don't always make choices that represent their best selves, but he just hasn't thought about this one, or otherwise he can't cope with the idea that someone might not like him so he has to be what he sees as the voice of kindness.

Hopefully, once he is a parent, he will understand that being liked all the time by everyone is not really a good sole aim in life. It's going to be a hard lesson!

OldCrone · 12/04/2023 11:35

FannyCann · 12/04/2023 11:23

"He was told at the round table by 11-year-old trans girl, Daley: 'I learned out of the cradle that I was a boy: "I should like blue, I should like sports, I should be manly, I should like superheroes".'
As Radcliffe nodded, she continued: 'And I never associated myself with those things and we are told that we are not old enough to know this yet. I am only 11-years-old, how do I know I'm a girl? And I need more time to think about this.'"

It's straight out of the playbook isn't it?

If being trans is nothing to do with stereotypes why do children who identify as trans always say their trans identity is based on stereotypes?

GingerbreadBaking · 12/04/2023 11:36

Musomama1 · 12/04/2023 08:14

Exactly PP, wait til Radcliffe is a parent and see how he feels about his child taking puberty blockers, conducting a medical and social experiment on them.

I thought Radcliffe said this topic was best kept to professionals? Maybe he'd have a conversation with Hilary Cass on the best way to treat gender dysphoria?

Dan the man is a gambler.

He is basically the financial version of a peadophile, they are destructive people, he will destroy himself and his child, it's no surprise he is trying to destroy other people's children.