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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
Skyellaskerry · 12/04/2023 11:41

@Louiseandsophie once you pick up on the misuse of language in this context you can’t ignore it - in my experience anyway. Find myself shouting at the radio, correcting forms, etc. that use gender when they mean sex!

GingerbreadBaking · 12/04/2023 11:42

Slothtoes · 12/04/2023 09:28

I’ve become extremely suspicious of the motives of adults who argue for the [insert your own adjective here] ‘liberation of children’

Just the glaring entitlement to be pronouncing on an issue Radcliffe clearly knows fuck all about. The glaring lack of critical thinking. The incautious wish to adultify and venerate every young child who says the magic word ‘trans’.

What is Daniel Radcliffe, (or the adults who have persuaded him this is a good idea), getting out of him trying to be a figurehead for transitioning of young kids?

Being a gigantic loser, it's what gamblers crave.

Louiseandsophie · 12/04/2023 11:43

WinterTrees · 12/04/2023 11:08

I think 'gender reveal' parties are largely an American thing that has gained traction over here thanks to social media. It has its roots in capitalism and the need to make people buy stuff - most immediately all the pink/blue plastic tat to host the party - the balloons and paper cups and streamers and cake toppers and all that, closely followed by the pink/blue nursery furnishings and the correctly coloured newborn outfits and pushchair/car seat/high chair. Having a second baby of the opposite sex to your first? Chuck out all that wrongly coloured stuff and buy it all from scratch!

Of course the endgame of this is capitalism's ultimate win in the modern world.... If you don't like your birth 'gender' you can change it! Buy drugs from private practitioners and seek out expensive medical procedures, and of course invest heavily in all the stereotyped trappings of a sexist culture and Bob's your Uncle (or Aunt) - a whole new you!

Smashing.👍🏻😂

Shelefttheweb · 12/04/2023 11:47

Where would Radcliffe be now if the producers of HP had trusted the children rather than let Daniel’s dad exercise a spot of nepotism?

miri1985 · 12/04/2023 11:48

The annoying thing is that this will never cost him anything. When this all goes tits up and people talk about the harms done to them as children and how sterotypes about the sexes influenced their gender presentation and has damaged their bodies because of medication, surgery etc. no celebrity who supported this ideology will ever put their hands up and say I was wrong, they'll just never mention it again.

He gets to think about himself like the good one, the moral one by claiming you should listen to teenagers because they know who they are but it only ever seems to extend to gender identity, no ones saying we should listen to teenagers who claim to be a different race, anorexic, furries etc.
It would be a much more honest discussion if he also had a detransitioner

GingerbreadBaking · 12/04/2023 11:53

As he tried to destroy these children and JKR he will take down Emma Watson along with himself.

Gamblers like some wins then they like a gigantic loss.

There will be something wired up that way in his brain and any woman who has been around him for years now carrying a child for a man like that has similar issues, I pity his child.

IsadoraQuagmire · 12/04/2023 12:00

He's a knob who can't act.

Wanderingowl · 12/04/2023 12:06

quiteathome · 12/04/2023 08:59

When my DD was small around 3 or 4 she asked me when she was going to grow a willy. I said you won't because you are a girl. She also like pretending to be Spiderman. If she did that these days a stupid parent would probably assume she was trans. Instead of a girl who has a brother and likes superheroes.

At that age my DS was very keen to grow up so he could grow a baby in his tummy and feed it milkies (breastfeed). He was genuinely devastated when I told him that wouldn't be happening because he would grow up to be a man and men can't do that. He actually asked me if there was any way a boy could grow up to be a woman because he'd like to do that if it meant he could grow a baby. This was a few years before I peaked but I still explained to him that while there were boys who grow up to feel like they should be a woman. They could only make themselves look more like a women but couldn't change biologically, so still couldn't get pregnant or breastfeed.

At that age he also had a baby doll that he took care of and pushed in a pram, a play kitchen that he enjoyed 'cooking' at and got very into Barbie and My Little Pony. He had long hair that he was very happy with and would occasionally choose an Elsa dress if he was playing dress up. So there are definitely some parents who would have taken that as a cue to start transitioning him. When they only thing he needed was for me to explain that while he'd never get pregnant or be a mummy, men still have to provide an ingredient for a woman to grow a baby and that makes them the baby's daddy. Even when a child fixates on really wanting to do one of the few things that their sex will actually prevent them from doing, it's still possible to gently bring them around to accepting reality.

ScrollingLeaves · 12/04/2023 12:12

Wanderingowl · Today 12:06
At that age he also had a baby doll that he took care of and pushed in a pram, a play kitchen that he enjoyed 'cooking' at and got very into Barbie and My Little Pony. He had long hair that he was very happy with and would occasionally choose an Elsa dress if he was playing dress up. So there are definitely some parents who would have taken that as a cue to start transitioning him. When they only thing he needed was for me to explain that while he'd never get pregnant or be a mummy, men still have to provide an ingredient for a woman to grow a baby and that makes them the baby's daddy. Even when a child fixates on really wanting to do one of the few things that their sex will actually prevent them from doing, it's still possible to gently bring them around to accepting reality.

Your DS and you sound so nice, Wanderingowl and your explanations to him just right. Was this before the worst of gender ideology took hold in schools, or did you have to keep on providing reality checks as he went on?

Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 12/04/2023 12:22

How can he advocate for these children to be medicalised and sterilised without any concern for their wellbeing?
How is he so certain that none of them will be persuaded by his advocacy to do harmful things?
He seems to be oblivious of the harm that he is doing.

Abhannmor · 12/04/2023 12:23

Apologies if it's already been said but - the more I see of Radcliffe the more sympathy I feel for Mr and Mrs Dursley.

They knew he was a wrong un.

Robinni · 12/04/2023 12:25

His gf is pregnant with first baby, perhaps when he becomes a parent he will cease pushing wokery on innocent children. Fgs what 20yo knows who they are?!

He is beyond privileged.

Also bad form that Erin Darke is being called a trans woman online (apparently) just because she is big boned and tall, and going out with the very tiny and petite Daniel Radcliffe. Shame on him for bringing all this to her door when she should be enjoying her pregnancy in peace. But then he hasn’t bothered to marry her either so what can you expect!

GingerbreadBaking · 12/04/2023 12:28

Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 12/04/2023 12:22

How can he advocate for these children to be medicalised and sterilised without any concern for their wellbeing?
How is he so certain that none of them will be persuaded by his advocacy to do harmful things?
He seems to be oblivious of the harm that he is doing.

Oh they know, I lived with a gambler Dad, they know, it is all part of the excitement and loss destruction weird thing they have going on.

Slothtoes · 12/04/2023 12:35

I can’t be arsed to google but pretty sure if you look through old interviews (from after Potter films wrapped) with Radcliffe or with any other child stars they will usually be saying they were a bit lost initially and needed time and space to find out who they are as a grown up etc and that it has been hard for them. And these will be very privileged kids with money and choices in life that most teenagers can not even dream of.

Yet here is a person saying young kids who think they are trans know who they are. It doesn’t hang together.

literalviolence · 12/04/2023 12:41

It's awful that he can't see the need to challenge the idea that men should like blue, be manly and like sports. That's the problem right there. If gender was just what you like then sure, trust kids. But if it's leading to body alterations with severe long terms side effects, of course not. No reasonable person wants to remove age of consent for sex and just trust young kids and no reasonable person should be suggesting that gender is just like what colour you like and whether you're into sports. This is why we need functional definitions of gender - so people like Daniel who are struggling to understand what's actually happening can stop Mia representing the situation just to market their career.

BonfireLady · 12/04/2023 12:41

I'm with you @Xoxoxoxoxoxox in that I can only assume that he is oblivious to the harm he is doing and genuinely believes that he is promoting happiness and inclusivity in the face of a bigoted generation of parents.

As has been shown on this thread, it's very easy to believe you're doing the right thing by a child if you're celebrating their "gender choice". I think there are many people who look at the surface level and assume it's the same as a child being gay or lesbian. I certainly did when my child told me she thought she was trans. I went on a journey to educate myself because I was unaware of what being trans meant and wanted to make sure I understood how I could support her best. Suffice to say, I discovered puberty blockers and gender stereotyping and was saddened and appalled at the conflation and confusion that children face today.

Wanderingowl · 12/04/2023 12:42

@ScrollingLeaves This would have been around 2016, so I guess it was just as transactivism was just starting to ramp up. I remember talking to a friend about it a few weeks after and she commented that maybe I should have told him that it might be possible by the time he's an adult for him to grow a baby because of scientific advancement. I remember sort of nodding and smiling along with her, while privately wondering wtf kind of crappy sci-fi she'd been reading to genuinely think such nonsense would be possible anywhere even close to our lifetimes. Most of my mum friends from that time are nearly all full-on TRAs now, including that friend.

Thankfully the principal at DS's school seems to be a very smart, sensible woman so I don't think there has been any real gender ideology at his school. And DS thinks it's all pretty stupid, he knows that he's always like both 'boy' things and 'girl' things without that changing the fact that he is a boy. And he knows that I'm the same and still a woman. So he doesn't understand why anyone would think what they enjoy could change their sex, especially when the biology can never change. When he was 8, I overheard him talking to some kids at a playground who asked if he was a boy or a girl and he said, "I'm a boy, I know that can seem confusing as boys don't usually have long hair, but I just like it long sometimes." And the other kids were fine with that. Though over the next year or so, once schools were back fully after Covid, he started wanting it short most of the time. Which is probably 70/30, faster drying and less brushing/wanting to fit in with the boys. He'll still dress up as female characters at Halloween if that's his favourite video game character at the time. Though will usually go with a big jumper/t-shirt if the character wears a dress.

GingerbreadBaking · 12/04/2023 12:45

Actors are con artists, so are politicians, gamblers and others playing a part, they are all scammers.

Odiebay · 12/04/2023 13:05

The fact this man is about to become a father ...

FrangipaniBlue · 12/04/2023 13:14

risefromyourgrave · 12/04/2023 07:52

It’s this part that drives me mad;
He was told at the round table by 11-year-old trans girl, Daley: 'I learned out of the cradle that I was a boy: "I should like blue, I should like sports, I should be manly, I should like superheroes".'
As Radcliffe nodded, she continued: 'And I never associated myself with those things and we are told that we are not old enough to know this yet. I am only 11-years-old, how do I know I'm a girl? And I need more time to think about this.'

Daley should be helped to see that you don’t have to like blue, sports or superheroes to be a man, not told that that makes a girl, JFC, the absolute regressive nests of the trans ideology drives me mad!
But no, Daniel bloody Radcliffe just nods along like an absolute dick and advocates for sterilisation and mutilation of kids who don’t conform, way to go! What a shame none of the integrity of the HP books rubbed off on him.

Couldn't have said it better!

userlotsanumbers · 12/04/2023 13:18

What does he think about the belief that the brain is only fully developed at age 25? Any decision making before that may not be entirely well considered, but let's trust it without question, yes?

viques · 12/04/2023 13:23

CountZacular · 12/04/2023 08:48

Daley added: 'I don't understand why I can't just decide that I'm a girl. If it's a big decision to decide I'm a girl, it's a big decision to decide I'm a boy.'

This child is 11. Surely their parents would have told them when they can’t just decide they are a girl/ aged 25/ different race/ a dog/ born into an incredibly wealthy family/ a child prodigy.

We learn, from guidance of our parents and other adults around us that the circumstances of our birth, our genetics and our heritage are unchangeable. There would be no kindness is telling a child they could just decide to be any of those things as it’s not physically possible.

It’s so galling to hear a feckless adult nod along to fantasy rather than show real kindness and be honestly with children. Especially when we know what the consequences are.

The sad truth is that if in their quest to decide what “gender” they are Daley takes hormones then Daley will end up in the limbo of being a person who can neither fulfill the genetic function of a man or that of a woman. There are going to be some very distressed people in ten or twenty years time as the realisation of what their parents and doctors let them do to their bodies sinks in.

MagpiePi · 12/04/2023 13:28

Barbecuebeans · 12/04/2023 08:23

Does he believe children should smoke, take drugs, not go to school, have sex at 12? Is it only changing their biology that he thinks kids know best about? Or what?

Exactly!
Why don’t we let 11 year olds drive themselves to get facial tattoos before they head off to get married? I mean, they know what they want

Wheresthebeach · 12/04/2023 13:29

Its madness. And the damage people like him are doing is heart breaking.

RobertsRadio · 12/04/2023 13:31

Daniel Radcliffe is a silly little twerp who knows fuck all about children.

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