Would you ever consider a transman a man?

[Sidaway]

Parallel question to this really:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4782092-would-you-ever-consider-a-transwoman-a-woman

Would the straight women here consider a trans-identified female, who "passed" really well, as a romantic/sexual partner?

And for the lesbian women here, would that "passing" be a turn-off?

No.

Of course not.
Nobody can change sex.

And,

Bisexual women are unlikely to. They might but most are either attracted to men and women, not necessarily an often jarring mix of the two.

Bisexual men are probably their most likely sexual partners. Though realistically, of the bisexual men who will have sex with them, it's less likely that they will want to form a long term relationship with them.

No. Buck Angel is probably the butchest Transman I've ever seen and I've always considered him a female when I listen to them being interviewed.

Buck does 'pass' visually for a male I think which does pose a problem should Buck use female toilets etc. I can imagine many women protesting Buck being there.

No.

Also agree with the point that bisexuals are not necessarily into trans either. It's not about appearances!

No. I'm bisexual and find both feminine and masculine or androgynous looking women attractive but I find them attractive BECAUSE they're women. I like men, because they're men (i tend to prefer the unpolished, stubbled, rough-round-the-edges type, rather than a more polished and groomed type). So a man imitating a woman or a woman imitating a man doesn't work for me, and causes a weird cognitive dissonance that kills the attraction.

No

No.

I would, I'm a straight(ish) woman and I've got a bit of a crush on a trans male friend, he's really quite a hot guy!

I am happily married, but, yeah, I could imagine being with a trans guy in another timeline.

Nope. For the same reasons gay men don’t. I would not be sexually attracted to a female body, especially one without a cock. Female bodies smell different, taste different and feel different. It’s ok to not accept a sexual partner on the basis of biology.

Why do people keep asking this? The majority of people don’t believe humans change sex because it is FACT that they can’t. I know transmen are female, I KNOW transwomen are men, that’s what those words mean.

Nope

no for the exact same reasons it isn't a test you can pass if you jump through the right hoops, because it isn't a test. All a boy has to do to be a man is grow up.

you can't fool all of the people all of the time and I find it unattractive and if you will the opposite of someone being authentic to try. Ruby Rose is a lesbian not withstanding her description of being gender fluid, because she is a woman

Alex Drummond's feelings are just as important as anyone else's and I honestly don't think he should be (or is) deprived of any of his human rights. So while I agree that he is free to describe himself as a lesbian, the exact same right is the right that I have to call bullshit and describe him as an entitled male heterosexual. He can feel anything he likes, he is not empowered to compel other people to agree.

Is it possible for a woman to convince me that she's sexist homophobic and generally toxic? oh for sure - that doesn't make her a man.

No. Man means male. Even if someone passed very well, knowing they were female would make it impossible for me to see them as a man. Similar to what I said on the other thread, I wouldn't see them a woman either because they'd be giving off too many 'man' signals. They'd fit into the 'something else' category.

Suppose you know someone online who gives themselves a male name and subscribes to male stereotypes. If someone told you that person is actually female, even though you've never met them and are only going off online cues, you'd probably think of them as a woman wearing a male mask. That person would no longer be simply 'male'.

No

No.

I know a trans man and despite being transitioned, his inflections and gestures are still very female. He passes, mostly, on the outside. But not underneath his clothes and not in his psyche I don't think as he often strikes me as feminine. This is I suppose because he's ultimately female and he can't ever escape that.

Happy to use he/him pronouns around him but sad for what he has become. His girlfriend is a lesbian, very aggressively into trans rights and basically encouraged and bullied him to his transition.

I don't believe he's a man. I think he's a very vulnerable female. (Another one, just a different aggressor)

Sorry to have derailed somewhat 😥

I'm bisexual but wouldn't date either trans man or trans woman because there's a pretence that I couldn't get past.

What happens when you get home? You both know the truth, do you still pretend? When making the shopping list, do you ask if they need tampons they obviously don't, or do I shout at them for dribbling when they stand to pee with the penis they don't have?

No.

Absolutely NO

No.

Depends what you’re looking for I suppose

A penis.

I have to say I'm honestly scoobied by the people on here saying transmen pass better than transwomen. They really, really don't. The sheer size of the skeleton and smoothness of the skin is such a huge giveaway. Very young transwomen pass better as women than transmen of any age no matter how jacked they are.

I cna only assume that the posters saying transmen pass well have mainly seen transmen online, where camera angles can indeed make passing better. But once you start tlaking to a transman, there's no way you would mistake.

There's an uncanny valley effect in my experience, men have quite rough and thick skin. You honestly don't notice or think about it until you talk to and hang out with a transman and then you suddenly realise that ouf skin is different to man's skin and it plays a huge role in the difference in appearance.

Same with the hips - men walk so differently, their legs move so differently and you don't really notice that difference until you walk somewhere with someone who's trying to look like a man but isn't one.

No..I know 2 transmen ( both in their 20s) and 2 transwomen (one 17 Yr old and one in their 30s) The common denominator is ASD/ADHD and mental health issues. You can tell with all what their real sex is. They are all delusional about how they present.

Not as a partner, no.
Because of the testosterone effect, they pass better than men who identify as women so I might not notice if they went in the gents' loo (though I'm also unlikely to look).