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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Would you ever consider a transman a man?

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Sidaway · 11/04/2023 14:57

Parallel question to this really:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4782092-would-you-ever-consider-a-transwoman-a-woman

Would the straight women here consider a trans-identified female, who "passed" really well, as a romantic/sexual partner?

And for the lesbian women here, would that "passing" be a turn-off?

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stealthsquirrelnutkin · 07/04/2026 11:59

I'm not far off 70 and a lesbian who has always been drawn to big, strong, butch women. Despite that my initial interest in a masculine looking woman shrivels and dies if she turns out to be genderqueer or trans.

Misogyny and homophobia are a fact of life, but I've never felt the urge to bring extra quotas of those harmful beliefs into my own personal domestic space. If a woman needs to convince herself that she has turned into a man before she permits herself fancy me I'm saddened, but the ick is instant and permanent.

And don't get me started on all the gorgeous young butch girls who realise being lesbian is still the lowest status sexuality, and that by binding their breasts and trying to walk and act like John Wayne will give them a social boost into the overpromoted trans category. Mostly it takes them ten years to grow out of it, and realise that even in the world of transgenderism it's the men who get to set the rules, and who expect and demand all the attention. Many of them have already destroyed their healthy young bodies by the time their brain matures enough to allow them to see the truth. It's the biggest social and medical scandal of our time, and all done in the name of "inclusion" and "kindness".

MrsOvertonsWindow · 07/04/2026 12:17

Brainworm · 07/04/2026 10:43

I have worked with over a hundred children and their families who believed that ‘being transgender’ provided ‘the’ explanation for high levels of distress and poor mental the health the child was experiencing.

When the new name and pronouns didn’t cut it, the belief that all would be well once puberty was blocked and cross hormones administered often kicked in. When this wasn’t the magic bullet, the lack of acceptance from others was often blamed. It was unusual for parents to say ‘hold on a moment, this was all meant to be sorted by transition’.

Many parents are between a rock and a hard place. Firstly, the magic bullet of ‘transitioning’ is enticing - the thought of all the distress and turmoil just disappearing delivers the hope that their child will be happy and well adjusted again, and soon. Then, when they see that social transitioning and/ or hormones aren’t removing the distress, they can either (I) blame everyone else (lack of acceptance) (ii) accept the cause of the distress was not ‘being born in the wrong body’, and go back to the drawing board to find the real underlying causes for the distress. However, if they do this, this reveals to their child that they don’t actually believe they are the opposite sex, and this is often inconceivable to them.

I think many parents feel completely trapped by the situation - whether they acknowledge this or not. It’s a travesty that they are not able to access psychological services to help them navigate this. It is absolutely possible for parents and children to express different views/ beliefs and for alternative explanation for distress to be safely explored. It’s a travesty that families aren’t educated, prior to ‘transition’ that not everyone will perceive or accept the new identity and that’s something that the transitioned child needs to be able to tolerate - and if they can’t, this should be worked on prior to transition. Of course, this takes away the ‘magic bullet’ answer that they so desperately want to escape in to - so as long as they think transition will bring happiness, it may be difficult to engage them in other approaches which don’t offer miracle solutions.

This is a very wise post that deserved highlighting. Flowers

It's criminal that so many organisations who should be able to offer effective therapeutic support and advice for parents in this situation have been captured or bullied into silence by the extreme trans lobby who have done so much harm.

It's been pointed out before that alienating children from their parents is a key tactic of too many influential trans organisations / individuals. Society is completely failing these parents and children by allowing these groups to dominate and influence professional practice.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 07/04/2026 13:21

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 06/04/2026 16:29

Um, no. He's trans, and gay.

Homophobia is fear and hatred of gay people.

Co-opting and weaponising the term to attack trans people could be described as homophobic though.

Why on earth do you care, anyway? When it comes to sex, the only thing that ever matters is consent. Everything else - how people have sex, and how they identify while having it - is an entirely personal affair.

Categorising humanity is a very odd way to spend a bank holiday. Live and let love, and stop seeing trans people as a conspiracy. They're perfectly normal.

And on that note, I'm off to hug my (probably highly wary, I've been doing it since they came home) student sons.

Bye Mumsnetters, til the next time. Have a happy Easter. Cheers to those who were kind

  • and to the guy who said he wasn't charismatic and was boring: whoever told you that had no right, so don't ever describe yourself that way again please. Laters xx
  • and to the guy who said he wasn't charismatic and was boring: whoever told you that had no right, so don't ever describe yourself that way again please. Laters xx

Don't tell me how to describe myself "please", and you might want to find out about self-deprecating humour. I'm quite comfortable with who I am, thanks, and I'm not actually as 'umble as Uriah Heap. You have no need to make assumptions about my self esteem. Plenty of people think I'm boring, and others (who actually spend time with me) may or may not think so; it probably depends on what I'm doing at the time. There's nothing worse though, in my opinion, than someone trying to force a quiet person to be the life and soul of the party. It's my party and I'll cry if I want to, thank you very much.

💐

HootyMcBoobys · 07/04/2026 15:23

How many genuine gay males do you think actually accept a female playing dress-up, as one of their own?

I'd guess about 1%. If that.

A woman cannot be a gay male.

And if I'd saw myself having to actually type that 10 years ago, I would have thought I'd lost my mind.

MarieDeGournay · 07/04/2026 15:40

stealthsquirrelnutkin · 07/04/2026 11:59

I'm not far off 70 and a lesbian who has always been drawn to big, strong, butch women. Despite that my initial interest in a masculine looking woman shrivels and dies if she turns out to be genderqueer or trans.

Misogyny and homophobia are a fact of life, but I've never felt the urge to bring extra quotas of those harmful beliefs into my own personal domestic space. If a woman needs to convince herself that she has turned into a man before she permits herself fancy me I'm saddened, but the ick is instant and permanent.

And don't get me started on all the gorgeous young butch girls who realise being lesbian is still the lowest status sexuality, and that by binding their breasts and trying to walk and act like John Wayne will give them a social boost into the overpromoted trans category. Mostly it takes them ten years to grow out of it, and realise that even in the world of transgenderism it's the men who get to set the rules, and who expect and demand all the attention. Many of them have already destroyed their healthy young bodies by the time their brain matures enough to allow them to see the truth. It's the biggest social and medical scandal of our time, and all done in the name of "inclusion" and "kindness".

This is a very interesting post thank you stealthsquirrelnutkin.

On another thread I posted about growing up gender confused and lesbian, and I said that I realise in retrospect that by despising all things 'girly', I was also despising myself.
Fortunately for me, I discovered feminism, and learned to value myself as a woman, a different kind of woman, a lesbian woman with butch tendencies😎

Like you, I worry about young lesbians who never manage to balance the rejection of gender stereotypes, and of heterosexuality, with keeping self-respect for themselves as women.
The lure of becoming a transman instead of a lesbian must be powerful, the trans juggernaut being as powerful and all-pervasive as it is, resulting in a zeitgeist where the scars of an optional double mastectomy can be celebrated.

There is, I think you will agree, a line to be walked between being butch because there's something about the style and swagger that makes you feel good, and trying to look like you're not a woman full stop.

The danger for young girls growing up gender-confused is that they may step over the line from not wanting to look like a gender stereotypical woman, into not wanting to look like a woman at all, and then not wanting to even be a woman.

Then if they start to find puberty blockers, hormones and surgery promoted as 'gender affirming care', they are in real danger of long-term mental and physical problems.

And after all the hormones and surgery, the likelihood is that they won't really look like men - transmen often lack the height, gait, mannerisms, voice, bodyshape, comportment etc., to pass as men.

But by then, as you say stealthsquirrelnutkin, the damage is done.

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