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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Is the Trans shooter in Nashville Male or Female?

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Tradeup · 28/03/2023 04:53

The murderer who came in and killed 3 children and 3 adults is trans and called Audrey, I am confused as to their biological sex.

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WarriorN · 28/03/2023 08:13

CampervanKween · 28/03/2023 08:08

Female spree shooters are very few and far between. But over the last 5 years they have suddenly become more frequent. Several recently were self identifying as 'men' at the time. Could testosterone abuse have contributed to their state of rage?

Could also be severe mental health issues which is why they're identifying as trans.

Could also be linked to trauma, potential exposure to / experience of child sexual abuse, DV etc.

I suppose testosterone could be a contributing factor; studies showed an increase in violence in trans identifying females.

The Tavi data also shows deterioration of mental health in girls taking PBs

NotHavingIt · 28/03/2023 08:14

SquidwardBound · 28/03/2023 08:10

@Birdsweepsin that letter is shocking.

How dare they present the murder as a victim and of ‘an even more complex’ ‘tragedy’?

How dare they?

Yet another way in which debates about sec and gender and the weird ‘most vulnerable’ trope is damaging. 6 people were murdered and a TRA group are busy focusing on how vulnerable their murderer was.

Mental health issues are lauded now, and even encouraged in people as some sort of identity in and of themselves. Young people are self diagnosing all sorts of conditions. Nurturing mental fragility and then seeking to have everyone tip toe around that fragility.

WarriorN · 28/03/2023 08:17

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Is the Trans shooter in Nashville Male or Female?
NotHavingIt · 28/03/2023 08:18

WarriorN · 28/03/2023 08:13

Could also be severe mental health issues which is why they're identifying as trans.

Could also be linked to trauma, potential exposure to / experience of child sexual abuse, DV etc.

I suppose testosterone could be a contributing factor; studies showed an increase in violence in trans identifying females.

The Tavi data also shows deterioration of mental health in girls taking PBs

I suspect she wasn't taking any testosterone or puberty blockers ( no obvious physical evidence of that) - but privately and on social media identified as trans. Probably the reason they are identifying her as female is not only because she obviously is, but because her family still referred to her as 'she' and are calling her their daughter.

picklemewalnuts · 28/03/2023 08:21

What a sorry fucking mess.

Stop the world and let us get off.

Bloody media, bloody guns, bloody trans cult.

Poor bloody victims.

senua · 28/03/2023 08:25

From the BBC headlines, I now gather that there is another gender.
There are, obviously, masculine and feminine. Then we had the Scottish rapistgender. Now we seem to have shootergender.

When will the Americans ever see sense over guns? How on earth do they retreat from the position that they are in when there are so many firearms in circulation.

SquidwardBound · 28/03/2023 08:26

NotHavingIt · 28/03/2023 08:14

Mental health issues are lauded now, and even encouraged in people as some sort of identity in and of themselves. Young people are self diagnosing all sorts of conditions. Nurturing mental fragility and then seeking to have everyone tip toe around that fragility.

And here is a TRA group presenting a multiple murderer as the poor victim. 🤦🏻‍♀️

Birdsweepsin · 28/03/2023 08:26

SquidwardBound · 28/03/2023 08:10

@Birdsweepsin that letter is shocking.

How dare they present the murder as a victim and of ‘an even more complex’ ‘tragedy’?

How dare they?

Yet another way in which debates about sec and gender and the weird ‘most vulnerable’ trope is damaging. 6 people were murdered and a TRA group are busy focusing on how vulnerable their murderer was.

And!

You are not just not-condemning,

You are encouraging copycats. You are suggesting that if your protected characteristic is (pick one) then any crime you commit is noble. Not heinous.

This is terrifying. This is terrorism.

Frozendaquiri · 28/03/2023 08:27

From what I can gather it was a female shooter who identifies as trans, committing a targeted hate crime.

waterlego · 28/03/2023 08:29

@WarriorN That’s weird, the link is working from my end 😕

TurnLeftAtTheBakery · 28/03/2023 08:29

Is this some weird equality thing where they're trying to present women as equal to men in violence and so every trans person is presented as a woman to try to fudge the numbers?

Whatsthefrequencykenny · 28/03/2023 08:30

Frozendaquiri · 28/03/2023 08:27

From what I can gather it was a female shooter who identifies as trans, committing a targeted hate crime.

What was the targeted hate crime?

potniatheron · 28/03/2023 08:33

hOw dArE tHeY mIsGenDeR HIM!??

It appears that she was an extreme trans rights activist. Her social media (which is currently being scrubbed by someone) shows her wearing a sandwich board which shows assult rifles in the trans blue, pink and white. It says, "Trans rights or else".

I wonder if she was on testosterone. Check out the subreddit, mypartneristrans. Many, many posts by worried lesbians whose female partners have come out as trans, started T and become physically violent.

potniatheron · 28/03/2023 08:35

Birdsweepsin · 28/03/2023 08:06

No. Condemn the shooter. In the strongest possible terms.

Great to see how paragraph 6 onwards makes it clear that the authors think 'tRaNsPhObIa" is to blame for the shooting, not Hale herelf.

SquidwardBound · 28/03/2023 08:36

Birdsweepsin · 28/03/2023 08:26

And!

You are not just not-condemning,

You are encouraging copycats. You are suggesting that if your protected characteristic is (pick one) then any crime you commit is noble. Not heinous.

This is terrifying. This is terrorism.

Indeed. It’s absolutely unacceptable.

How dare they?!

Abhannmor · 28/03/2023 08:36

I was wish the media would stop referring to these selfish , cruel murderous bastards as ' shooters' regardless of their sex.

It makes them sound like heroes in some cowboy movie or characters in a video game.

They are murderers.

Frozendaquiri · 28/03/2023 08:39

Abhannmor · 28/03/2023 08:36

I was wish the media would stop referring to these selfish , cruel murderous bastards as ' shooters' regardless of their sex.

It makes them sound like heroes in some cowboy movie or characters in a video game.

They are murderers.

I'm sorry but the term shooter doesn't sound at all heroic to me.

WarriorN · 28/03/2023 08:43

From what I remember there's a lot of armoury in imagery surrounding trans identity on places like Reddit and others.

Certainly see that with baseball bats painted pink and blue and glittered with "terf in my mentions." Etc.

senua · 28/03/2023 08:46

Frozendaquiri · 28/03/2023 08:39

I'm sorry but the term shooter doesn't sound at all heroic to me.

But what about all those first person shooter computer games that apparently nice, normal people play?

PatatiPatatras · 28/03/2023 08:49

This just sounds like the start of the oxycontin era again. When the addicted were being told they weren't addicted and they were stealing because they were bad people. Obviously "the pain killers" had nothing to do with it - the perpetrators were simply evil and it was showing. And back then stories were just as clear as mud and full of speculation.
Same shit different decade. You need to collect accurate data to eliminate hypothesis not eliminate them because it doesn't sound right.
There's a definite group wanting the narrative that women are as bad as men out there. Women can do evil - we get it but the proportions are incomparable to men . This is news worthy for that reason and not because society is sexist and doesn't get it. Argh gets my goat that the media is helping once again in not getting stats on female mental health issues. Women - Always misunderstood or misinterpreted -especially in healthcare.

deydododatdodontdeydo · 28/03/2023 08:49

BBC are now saying the police called her "she".
Presumably the world's journalists went by what the police said.
So the police did "misgender" him/her. They should report it as a male shooter.

RudsyFarmer · 28/03/2023 08:50

Ah this is interesting!

So if they’re M-F trans man they’re still female in the news but M-F transwomen are ALWAYS female except when it’s Isla Bryson.

AllOfThemWitches · 28/03/2023 08:56

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So?

NotHavingIt · 28/03/2023 08:57

AllOfThemWitches · 28/03/2023 08:56

So?

Do you want to elaborate? I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.