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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Is the Trans shooter in Nashville Male or Female?

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Tradeup · 28/03/2023 04:53

The murderer who came in and killed 3 children and 3 adults is trans and called Audrey, I am confused as to their biological sex.

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LiliLil · 28/03/2023 07:47

It’s the 19th school shooting so far this year where one or more people have been injured or killed.

And it’s only March.

Theunamedcat · 28/03/2023 07:48

SilverGlitterBaubles · 28/03/2023 07:02

I'm not sure it matters, what matters is the tragic loss of life and how many more lives have to be lost to guns in America before they will actually do something about it.

It matters because it's dick pandering again if they are transgender or gender fliud then that's how it should be reported if you insist that women can have penis then you must report that men can murder children

Keha · 28/03/2023 07:48

I've read some of the British mainstream media who seem to be carefully avoiding pronouns etc and have just said "transgender". This doesn't seem to me to be misgendering. I think the police chiefs comments were unclear, there was a bit of jumping to conclusions, realisation that it might not be that and now use of gender neutral language.

twitterexile · 28/03/2023 07:50

She used he/him pronouns which were deleted from her LinkedIn - I saw the before and after pics. No evidence that she was not living as Aidan.
All falls under that big trans umbrella however much they are going to pretend otherwise.

FOJN · 28/03/2023 07:51

I hate seeing the photos of children filing out in a snake formation, holding hands, so no one gets left behind.

Society is completely fucked up when 'active shooter' drills are a normal part of school life.

twitterexile · 28/03/2023 07:51

LiliLil · 28/03/2023 07:47

It’s the 19th school shooting so far this year where one or more people have been injured or killed.

And it’s only March.

Just horrendous.

NotHavingIt · 28/03/2023 07:54

Whatever the case it is clear that people with trans identities are just as likely as any other to suffer mental health issues and/or engage in criminality, and even murder.

No doubt this will be narrated by some as child with a trans identity who attended an evanagelical Christian school didn't feel able to be their true selves, resulting in this awful outcome, and as such they were a victim in this too.

twitterexile · 28/03/2023 07:56

I await the victim narrative too - I am sure that TRAs are busy with this on twitter but I cannot bear to look.

BellaAmorosa · 28/03/2023 07:57

Zonder · 28/03/2023 06:56

Is this a typo? I heard 13th school shooting this year on radio 4

Mass killings, not just school shootings.

xPaz · 28/03/2023 07:59

MrsTerryPratchett · 28/03/2023 06:11

It's confusing because the media seem to call male rapists 'she' when they identify as female but a female shooter 'she' when they identify as male.

It does look like bias but I'm sure it can't be.

Exactly. Blame it on a female regardless of consistency

WarningToTheCurious · 28/03/2023 08:02

BellaAmorosa · 28/03/2023 07:57

Mass killings, not just school shootings.

Over 130 mass shootings not mass killings - many of these left people injured but had no fatalities.

BellaAmorosa · 28/03/2023 08:04

WarningToTheCurious · 28/03/2023 08:02

Over 130 mass shootings not mass killings - many of these left people injured but had no fatalities.

Ok, noted.

CampervanKween · 28/03/2023 08:04

This is her social media profile

Is the Trans shooter in Nashville Male or Female?
NotTerfNorCis · 28/03/2023 08:04

Yes lots of folk on Twitter picking up on the fact that this transman shooter is referred to as 'she', while transwomen rapists and violent criminals are also referred to as 'she'.

It's more like, the media are afraid of the consequences of 'misgendering' a transwoman, but don't fear those consequences for a transman.

owiz · 28/03/2023 08:06

They know the headline is more shocking as woman so they are happy to revert to her sex in this instance. If it was a transwoman you can bet they'd refer to him as she.

Birdsweepsin · 28/03/2023 08:06

No. Condemn the shooter. In the strongest possible terms.

Is the Trans shooter in Nashville Male or Female?
WarriorN · 28/03/2023 08:07

BBC now avoiding mention of she her, female etc. other than name (Audrey, unisex name) and that "was transgender."

SquidwardBound · 28/03/2023 08:07

It’s really awful that this is a focus of any kind in this case. Three 9 year olds and 3 adults were murdered.

The general atmosphere about sex and how anyone is able to talk about it is a big problem. As is the inordinate focus there has been because the murderer was female. As if that somehow makes it worse.

So many terrible problems all brought together in one awful event.

Hoppinggreen · 28/03/2023 08:08

Awful tragedy, my thoughts are with the victims and their families.
BUT how is it acceptable to use female pronouns etc for this person but not male ones for Bryson et al?

CampervanKween · 28/03/2023 08:08

Female spree shooters are very few and far between. But over the last 5 years they have suddenly become more frequent. Several recently were self identifying as 'men' at the time. Could testosterone abuse have contributed to their state of rage?

Is the Trans shooter in Nashville Male or Female?
Is the Trans shooter in Nashville Male or Female?
Is the Trans shooter in Nashville Male or Female?
NotHavingIt · 28/03/2023 08:09

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Museya15 · 28/03/2023 08:09

So it was a woman.

KnittingNeedles · 28/03/2023 08:10

The difference between how this person is being referred to and how people like Isla Bryson are being referred to is stark.

This shooter - biologically female but identifying as male - is being referred to by her birth name, media are saying she/her and saying she identified as male.

Isla Bryson is always referred to as "she/her", his previous name is not used, and only sometimes there is some mangled language about crimes committed when she was a man.

SquidwardBound · 28/03/2023 08:10

@Birdsweepsin that letter is shocking.

How dare they present the murder as a victim and of ‘an even more complex’ ‘tragedy’?

How dare they?

Yet another way in which debates about sec and gender and the weird ‘most vulnerable’ trope is damaging. 6 people were murdered and a TRA group are busy focusing on how vulnerable their murderer was.

NotHavingIt · 28/03/2023 08:11

Hoppinggreen · 28/03/2023 08:08

Awful tragedy, my thoughts are with the victims and their families.
BUT how is it acceptable to use female pronouns etc for this person but not male ones for Bryson et al?

It will be interesting to see how this angle plays out over the coming days......outrage at misgendering, maybe? appeals to victimhood - an inability to be 'true self' and so on.