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Is the Trans shooter in Nashville Male or Female?

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Tradeup · 28/03/2023 04:53

The murderer who came in and killed 3 children and 3 adults is trans and called Audrey, I am confused as to their biological sex.

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Emotionalsupportviper · 30/03/2023 11:43

@RedToothBrush

I wish we had a "like" button. This is an excellent post.

Danana · 30/03/2023 13:56

TitterYeeNot · 30/03/2023 11:43

Hmm. I think in this case the killer was more along the lines of an MK Ultra operative.

I could see a government rationalising that killing a few people now will save millions in the future if it will grease the wheels of support for stricter gun legislation.

The confusing trans aspect was also useful as this area is getting out of hand.

You could see that? the US government deciding to murder some young schoolchildren in Nashville in the unlikely hope that unlike Sandy Hook, Uvalde etc this will result in gun legislation?

Usian · 30/03/2023 14:22

Yes, it’s Dana Rivers. I’d so much rather think about Dana Carvey, though!

Florissante · 30/03/2023 14:22

SquidwardBound · 30/03/2023 10:23

I think it’s @MNHQ haven’t deleted the conspiracy theorist type post.

Speculating that the murder of children and staff at a school was a ‘false flag operation’ cannot possibly be ‘in the spirit’ of anything.

Apparently, it can.

TitterYeeNot · 31/03/2023 00:54

Danana · 30/03/2023 13:56

You could see that? the US government deciding to murder some young schoolchildren in Nashville in the unlikely hope that unlike Sandy Hook, Uvalde etc this will result in gun legislation?

Operation Northwoods, Operation Mongoose, etc. There are quite a few examples.

How many people die from gun violence on the streets of Chicago each weekend?

What’s a few lives (and it has to be children, to really sway public opinion) in pursuit of the greater good? Think how many future lives will be saved if guns are outlawed.

Danana · 31/03/2023 01:56

TitterYeeNot · 31/03/2023 00:54

Operation Northwoods, Operation Mongoose, etc. There are quite a few examples.

How many people die from gun violence on the streets of Chicago each weekend?

What’s a few lives (and it has to be children, to really sway public opinion) in pursuit of the greater good? Think how many future lives will be saved if guns are outlawed.

It’s not just the unlikelihood (the examples you mention were both in the early 60s, Operation Mongoose was not in the US and Operation Northwoods didn’t go ahead because JFK rejected the idea) but the lack of rationale for such an operation.

The CIA murdering a few kids would be horrific enough if it was for the ”greater good”, but at this point it’s more than obvious that doing so is not going to result in guns getting outlawed.

Fukuraptor · 31/03/2023 09:09

Just because your mind, (or someone else's) is imaginative and is able to come up with stories you find satisfying/compelling doesn't mean they are likely or true. In the same way that our brains make pictures out of clouds, they make patterns out of events.

Conspiracies can exist (such as e.g. the police cover up at Hillsborough) however lies of that magnitude are extremely difficult to keep, and everyone who had been there knew the police and media were lying. When you are talking about multiple people knowing about doing something so unethical, you are risking them uncovering it or telling someone else etc.

Then you have to think why would 'they' need to do this? There are lots of shootings anyway. And it would likely be ineffective (none of the previous tragic mass shootings have resulted in gun control).

The thing I find interesting about conspiracy theories is there is an underlying order to the world. It's disturbing because the baddies are in charge, but there is hope that they can be overthrown by the special people who have found out the 'truth'. Whereas the non conspiracist doesn't have to handle the idea of baddies on charge but does have the disturbing belief (I'd say truth, I suppose) that it doesn't matter if those "in charge" are well meaning (though often flawed) they cannot foresee and prevent all horrible events.

Maybe you were just stirring, but if you truly believe that this is possible or likely, I think asking yourself some questions about whether a conspiracy is necessary to explain the events, and if not, then the simplest explanation is probably the most likely. If your brain wasn't the patten machine that came up with this explanation, i.e. if you came across the idea somewhere, then consider the profit motive of who is spreading this stuff - who is getting the clicks/followers/subscribers/views by spreading sensational takes on current events.

SquidwardBound · 31/03/2023 09:10

Florissante · 30/03/2023 14:22

Apparently, it can.

Indeed. Apparently we should just challenge this on the thread.

Which is to say I think that anyone suggesting some sort of state conspiracy to use the murder of primary school children to achieve a gun control policy aim is being ridiculous and irresponsible. And distasteful.

this bit sums the poster up: “What’s a few lives (and it has to be children, to really sway public opinion) in pursuit of the greater good? Think how many future lives will be saved if guns are outlawed.”

3 children murdered this week and this is what someone thinks is a reasonable thing to say about it

PorcelinaV · 31/03/2023 09:20

Gun control wouldn't even work that well in the US as it's likely to be overturned in the courts.

Beowulfa · 31/03/2023 09:24

The Metro have been describing the killer as "a transgender man who was born female" and using he/him. They were happy to report on Charles Branson without using his new legal surname though.

DameMaud · 31/03/2023 09:26
Non-political take from psychologist Dr Todd Grande (very popular YouTube psychology channel- he does many brief analyses of current crime cases) As far as I'm aware, he comes from completely outside of the debate so it's interesting to hear his analysis

Transgender Ideology and Christianity in the Nashville School Shooting | Audrey Hale Case Analysis

This video answers the question: Can I analyze case of Audrey Hale?Support Dr. Grande on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/drgrandeSubscribe to the Bella Gran...

https://youtu.be/yISxt8MatU8

Emotionalsupportviper · 31/03/2023 12:42

PorcelinaV · 31/03/2023 09:20

Gun control wouldn't even work that well in the US as it's likely to be overturned in the courts.

Plus there are so many guns already in the population - many of them unregistered - that getting them off the streets would be an impossibility.

I think the best that they can hope for is preventing more being out out there, and controlling the sale of what are effectively "war" weapons - machine guns etc (archaic term, I daresay, but I'm sure you know what I mean).

namitynamechange · 31/03/2023 13:03

Regarding the conspiracy theory. Given that school shootings tend to happen with depressing regularity in the US, why on earth would anyone go to the effort of faking one when they could just wait until the next one happened anyway.
It reminds me of this.

That Mitchell and Webb Look - Diana Assassination

That Mitchel and Webb Look- Season 4- Episode 6This isn't taking the piss out of Princess Diana but in fact the idiots who believe in conspiracy theories so ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4meFC1ee7Q

Emotionalsupportviper · 03/04/2023 09:41

While this is an important discussion, can we take a moment to remember the names of the victims.

Evelyn Dieckhaus, 9;

William Kinney, 9;

Hallie Scruggs, 9

Mike Hill, 61

Katherine Koonce, 60

Cynthia Peak, 61

Three children with their lives ahead of them. Three adults with families depending on them.

All of them loved, and deserving of so much more.

None of them should have been butchered like this - victims of an increasingly evil, intolerant cult.

ItIsFiat · 03/04/2023 10:30

Emotionalsupportviper · 03/04/2023 09:41

While this is an important discussion, can we take a moment to remember the names of the victims.

Evelyn Dieckhaus, 9;

William Kinney, 9;

Hallie Scruggs, 9

Mike Hill, 61

Katherine Koonce, 60

Cynthia Peak, 61

Three children with their lives ahead of them. Three adults with families depending on them.

All of them loved, and deserving of so much more.

None of them should have been butchered like this - victims of an increasingly evil, intolerant cult.

Poor little ones, killed for being Christian.

TitterYeeNot · 03/04/2023 11:52

ItIsFiat · 03/04/2023 10:30

Poor little ones, killed for being Christian.

Thank you for highlighting the fact they were targeted for their religion. It was a hate crime but it’s not being called that by the press.

Can you imagine if any other religion was targeted in this way? It would be all about how awful it was that they were targeted for their beliefs.

But Christians are fair game.

ItIsFiat · 03/04/2023 11:57

TitterYeeNot · 03/04/2023 11:52

Thank you for highlighting the fact they were targeted for their religion. It was a hate crime but it’s not being called that by the press.

Can you imagine if any other religion was targeted in this way? It would be all about how awful it was that they were targeted for their beliefs.

But Christians are fair game.

Cowards don't tell Muslims that they have a sky fairy.

Christians are the most persecuted at present, the woke UK media never reports on all the Nigerian Christians slaughterd in the past few years.

TitterYeeNot · 03/04/2023 15:57

ItIsFiat · 03/04/2023 11:57

Cowards don't tell Muslims that they have a sky fairy.

Christians are the most persecuted at present, the woke UK media never reports on all the Nigerian Christians slaughterd in the past few years.

Careful now…!

But, yes, exactly.

coldmarchmorn · 03/04/2023 16:08

TitterYeeNot · 03/04/2023 11:52

Thank you for highlighting the fact they were targeted for their religion. It was a hate crime but it’s not being called that by the press.

Can you imagine if any other religion was targeted in this way? It would be all about how awful it was that they were targeted for their beliefs.

But Christians are fair game.

  1. You don't know that's why
  2. You don't know the shooter wasn't also Christian......she was.

This wasn't a hate crime against christians, this was a disturbed person going back to their old school to shoot it up. She was the same as them, same religion, same background, same everything.

Your slant is insane.

OnlyTheWeedsGrow · 04/04/2023 12:16

What is insane is Madonna doing a benefit concert to raise money for the “real victim” of the shooting - the trans shooter!!! Not the innocent children and adults whose lives have been so violently ended, but the killer BECAUSE THE KILKER WAS TRANS.

Florissante · 04/04/2023 12:48

The trans shooter is dead and therefore doesn't need any money.

Florissante · 04/04/2023 12:49

ItIsFiat · 03/04/2023 11:57

Cowards don't tell Muslims that they have a sky fairy.

Christians are the most persecuted at present, the woke UK media never reports on all the Nigerian Christians slaughterd in the past few years.

Or Egyptian Christians. Or the plight of Christians in Israel. Or Jerusalem.

ItIsFiat · 04/04/2023 13:23

Florissante · 04/04/2023 12:49

Or Egyptian Christians. Or the plight of Christians in Israel. Or Jerusalem.

Indeed.

Madonna has being well known for rebelling against Christ, this is a continuation.

Can you imagine someone shooting many Jews and Mislims in a school and being told it wasn't a targeted attack.

The shooter wasn't Christian. She went against all the teachings by her lifestyle choices. She thought that she was God and could create man and wanted like many of her beliefs to be worshipped like a God, I also give you Jeffrey Marsh as another example She thought that she could decide when life ended.

TurnLeftAtTheBakery · 04/04/2023 13:36

Can you imagine someone shooting many Jews and Muslims in a school and being told it wasn't a targeted attack

If the person doing it was of the same background then I don't imagine it would be framed as an anti-Jewish or anti-muslim attack.

Xenia · 04/04/2023 13:41

Red, I agree. The pro trans lobby can be very violent. It may be as simple as all the extra hormones pumped into some of them or just be that so many trans people have mental illness.

Also most trans and/or any other group we can name do not go in for mass shooting and it remains the case that most violence is sadly committed at home by family members (often men against women although sometimes the other way round)