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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Is the Trans shooter in Nashville Male or Female?

545 replies

Tradeup · 28/03/2023 04:53

The murderer who came in and killed 3 children and 3 adults is trans and called Audrey, I am confused as to their biological sex.

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Signalbox · 29/03/2023 10:35

senua · 29/03/2023 10:24

Am I being thick or does the facebook page link provided not actually mention the 101/4025 statistics quoted? Has anybody got another source?

No you are not being thick it doesn’t. Not sure where allthewitches got the quote from. I couldn’t follow the link on the Facebook page either.

Signalbox · 29/03/2023 10:38

AllOfThemWitches · 29/03/2023 10:07

This comes from the Gun Violence Archive, i didn't make the figure up. And 101 out of 4025, I'd say that was rare.

If you could provide a link to your data source allthewitches that would be helpful.

AllOfThemWitches · 29/03/2023 10:38

Even people who are full of rage don't generally kill people in cold blood.

Signalbox · 29/03/2023 10:42

Monday's incident in Nashville is the 130th mass shooting in the United States in 2023, according to the Gun Violence Archive. The archive defines a mass shooting as one in which at least four people are shot, excluding the shooter.

Interesting thanks. So they are defining mass shooter in the same way. I wonder what the discrepancy is?

Mass Shootings in 2023 | Gun Violence Archive

Gun Violence Archive (GVA) is a not for profit corporation formed in 2013 to provide free online public access to accurate information about gun-related violence in the United States. GVA will collect and check for accuracy, comprehensive information a...

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting

AllOfThemWitches · 29/03/2023 10:44

Maybe the 101 they are referring to didn't all happen in America. I don't know.

Signalbox · 29/03/2023 10:44

So if the data collectors are captured this will just get recorded as another mass shooting by a man.

Notaflippinclue · 29/03/2023 11:00

Twitter today state's MUMSNET is a place of dangerous radicalisation of middle aged women and that mums are dangerous extremists - for daring to discuss this shooting - rather a lot to fit on a tee shirt methinks.

SquidwardBound · 29/03/2023 11:31

It is interesting that women (‘middle aged mums’ 🙄) are presented as dangerous extremists in this.

When the focus is on a horrible multiple murder in which the murderer left a manifesto clearly demonstrating that the crime was motivated by an extremist ideology.

But TRA groups and online TRAs, who are the promoters of this ideology, are presenting the murder as a victim and presenting women (dreadful old women at that!) as the problem.

At what point are the people in power going to look properly at gender ideology and apply the kind of rhetoric and action they might if it were religious (especially if not Christian) ideology (around extremism, radicalisation, terrorism, grooming and such like) to it rather than presenting it as ‘be kind’ and ‘the right side of history’?

It’s all so depressing.

picklemewalnuts · 29/03/2023 12:34

I feel quite edgy now. I'm a church going, volunteering, mumsy middle aged woman. I've never done drugs, rarely drink and haven't smoked for years. Not even got a tattoo...

Yet apparently I'm a dangerous extremist.

Could I have a T-shirt for that?
"Steady on, Dangerous Extremist at work!"

potniatheron · 29/03/2023 13:24

missyounot · 28/03/2023 21:15

Nope, it is pure transphobia. As a journalist of 3 decades I can say this with authority.

Motive is something established through a process that takes time, not by a baying mob on social media.

You don't come off as a journalist; don't take that the wrong way.

Even if you were, it would not grant you any 'authority' to decide what is and is not appropriate for the Tennessee Metro police force to say about the crime.

They are investigating Hale's trans identity as a possible motive.

Given that a number of so called trans rights activists have issued statements appluading Hale's murder of "bigots", it would seem wise to investigate the crime as being motivated by the twisted extreme trans belief that "we are being genocided; violent resistance is justified".

but as a journalist, you already know this.

AllOfThemWitches · 29/03/2023 13:40

Wow, 9yo children are bigots?

Fuck the TRAs. Lots of people struggle mentally, you have to be a particular type of individual to plan and carry out the murder of innocent children.

MarshaBradyo · 29/03/2023 13:41

AllOfThemWitches · 29/03/2023 13:40

Wow, 9yo children are bigots?

Fuck the TRAs. Lots of people struggle mentally, you have to be a particular type of individual to plan and carry out the murder of innocent children.

Nothing excuses this

ItIsFiat · 29/03/2023 16:20

PorcelinaV · 29/03/2023 15:28

Fox news had a Tucker Calson piece on this issue, they seem to be of the opinion as with those at the school it's actually Christians that are the intended targets.

I think in the UK as it's women lead many don't always remember that in the USA the push back it's mainly Christian lead.

ScrollingLeaves · 29/03/2023 16:45

RoyalCorgi · Today 09:59
I'm slightly sceptical about the testosterone angle, though am open to changing my mind if research shows otherwise. I think the more likely truth is that young women identifying as trans are often mentally troubled with a history of trauma. The same root cause (mental health problems) leads both to the trans identification and the mass shooting. I may be wrong

Of course, but it could very likely end up a perfect storm with both.

(Plus the Swedish study shows that overall transsexual women will not retain the same criminal offending pattern as ordinary women but become more like men in this. There are plenty of depressed ordinary women who do not take on a male offending pattern. What would the differential be here? Testosterone, possibly?)

If you read this extraordinarily lucid account be Helena about her transition (FtM) and detransition, she did have emotional problems before she decided to transition.

But then testosterone, when she began taking it, made her psychotic. This possible side effect was not told to her in advance.
https://lacroicsz.substack.com/p/by-any-other-name?utm_source=url
https://lacroicsz.substack.com/p/by-any-other-name?utm_campaign=post&utm_source=url

Then there is this from Helena (re: Planned Parenthood and HRT in this context were an organisation willing to supply testosterone to women over 18 on a so called ‘informed consent’ basis.)

^helena on Twitter: "my HRT prescribing planned parenthood clinic did nothing to ensure that i understood why healthy hormonal function is important to my health, and the ramifications of disrupting it (which cross sex HRT does to an extreme degree) let’s look at my “informed” consent document 🧵 https://t.co/WewpDiMJNb"^

Depressed people can become suicidal or violent to others from Prozac too.

By Any Other Name

The story of my transition and detransition.

https://lacroicsz.substack.com/p/by-any-other-name?utm_source=url

PorcelinaV · 29/03/2023 17:04

ItIsFiat · 29/03/2023 16:20

Fox news had a Tucker Calson piece on this issue, they seem to be of the opinion as with those at the school it's actually Christians that are the intended targets.

I think in the UK as it's women lead many don't always remember that in the USA the push back it's mainly Christian lead.

The article did mention there was some context about feminists.

ItIsFiat · 29/03/2023 17:07

PorcelinaV · 29/03/2023 17:04

The article did mention there was some context about feminists.

It's unsafe for anyone who stands against tbe ideology.

In New Zealand they are punching and using liquid.

In the USA they are using guns.

We now have 6 dead in one go at the hands of those who identify as trans and it is more than the trans people who died at the hands of others.

Ciswomansson · 29/03/2023 17:18

You should always used what the person asks. As you ask. Regardless of crime, whether you like them or not.

HermioneKipper · 29/03/2023 17:33

Ciswomansson · 29/03/2023 17:18

You should always used what the person asks. As you ask. Regardless of crime, whether you like them or not.

Haha. NO

OneLongSmorgasbord · 29/03/2023 17:42

Ciswomansson · 29/03/2023 17:18

You should always used what the person asks. As you ask. Regardless of crime, whether you like them or not.

For a start, NO, absolutely not.

Second, would you be happy to call a male that raped you "she", if he declared he was a woman after the attack happened? Because I sure as hell wouldn't.

Signalbox · 29/03/2023 17:43

Ciswomansson · 29/03/2023 17:18

You should always used what the person asks. As you ask. Regardless of crime, whether you like them or not.

Does that include not calling people “cis” when they ask you?

DrMarciaFieldstone · 29/03/2023 17:44

Ciswomansson · 29/03/2023 17:18

You should always used what the person asks. As you ask. Regardless of crime, whether you like them or not.

Nope. Try harder, troll.

Notaflippinclue · 29/03/2023 17:45

No no no no never take me down now

Ciswomansson · 29/03/2023 17:53

My father was a police officer. If you called yourself a tree you would still be done for the rape and still be addressed as the name tree.

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