Is the Trans shooter in Nashville Male or Female?

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The murderer who came in and killed 3 children and 3 adults is trans and called Audrey, I am confused as to their biological sex.

@BellePeppa. Finally someone with common sense. Thank you.

In the most heinous of circumstances we should avoid obsufication in reporting allowing it to be factual and simple.

In ALL circumstances we should avoid obfuscation of reporting. Particularly when such reporting is likely to put blame onto a group which is innocent.

Every man's crime recorded as a woman's is blaming a group of people who did NOT commit that crime, and exonerating a group that DID.

Whenever we avoid facts, we avoid clarity and honesty, and increase confusion and dishonesty. And this in turn makes vulnerable people even more vulnerable, because they have no solid foundations to build their mental schemata on, leading to increased mental health problems.

Of course we should. Every perpertrator should be correctly identified by their sex. But they are not. So we have to ask, why not? Why is a woman always a woman, but a man can be a woman too?

This.
Evidence can be used to DISPROVE a perceived problem. However if the evidence is corrupted due to poor record keeping that can work to the negative too.

We KNOW violence is predominately male related. The number of men to women in prison testifies to this.

What we then need to know is whether transition changes the pattern of violence. That could be male to female or female to male. There are legitimate concerns about if there is over representation and then why there is over representation.

But saying we can't talk about this because 'prejudice' doesn't help anyone. The pattern will still exist if there is one. And if there is one you need acknowledge it to address it. Its political burying head in the sand because it doesn't fit your beliefs. And that also leaves you vulnerable to political opposition if you do bury your head in the sand, because you can bet if there is a pattern that can be identified, it will be jumped on by political opponents.

I'm not into that. I'm into evidence based actions not political grandstanding of any kind. Deal with what problems we can actually identify and dispell myths where they exist.

There are two points here.

The perpetrator was female and the pronoun she should be used

The perpetrator identified as transgender so again this is factual

I think the pronoun she should be used as well as female bit of course an identification with the opposite sex is important to reporting

The fact that so very very few (relatively) women commit such crimes does give extra salience to the transgender aspect of her persona.

It is the obvious case that those males who commit crimes and identify as females are referred to as males when reporting.

Where did you get the information that she was born female. I got the impression she is a trans woman (I.e born male). I actually came on to start a thread saying it was making me angry that they were implying this was a female committed crime (and skewing the statistics as a result) when actually it was committed by someone born male which would be much more typical of shooting crime statistics.

It's widely available and obvious from the photos. It's a fact that the shooter was a woman. \

Which photos? In the photos of the incident she looks like a teenage boy.

Yes, I agree the TRA and trans type lobby groups do seem to promote violence, or at least extreme language towards anyone who doesn't follow their ideology. They are extremists and advocate violence. What could possibly go wrong with mentally ill individuals totally mixed up and not even sure what they identify as then extreme views and violent language and opinions..... will see more of this. It all feels like some warped social experiment 'let's all play at saying we don't identify as a man/woman and play with things rather than look at the cause, many trans are on the spectrum and so neurodiverse and don't feel like they feel they should anyway, pumping full of hormones and suggest they are in the wrong body or change the gender/mix up the emotions and bang

The "manifesto" will certainly be an interesting read.
I wonder how long before they publish it.

The killer was a sick individual who killed innocents children at a school and teaching staff. Mad, sick, or knows but definitely not mentally stable.

Such awful news. Plenty of photos and family information in this article for those still unsure about the killer's natal sex (female) @Mirabai https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11909639/Anti-gun-Mom-Nashville-school-shooter-says-think-just-lost-daughter.html

I’m not unsure thanks if you read the thread. Just pointing out that the killer’s gender isn’t obvious from the photos of the incident.

This is one of those situations where intersectionality can get kind of messy.

Indications are that this was a biological female. We're already seeing the TRA's presenting the killer as a victim and a martyr. In the scope of all of the transgender stuff, TRA and TERF, many who hold to TERF ideology absolutely include all biological females as women regardless of their gender identity, so in that regard, the TERF's are going to have to claim it as one of their own.

What is so bizarre and how conditioned all this gender crap has become, is that when I read the first early headlines about it being a female shooter, my very first thoughts were...OK...What do they mean by it was a female shooter? Was it an actual real biological female, or just a biological male claiming to be a woman?

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How terrifying that that image on the right is what children are faced with

USA won’t get rid of that, it’s depressing as anything

That’s a lot of words to say “Look what you made (one of ) us do”

This is exactly what I was thinking.

If it's a FTM = woman
If it's a MTF = woman who identifies as transgender

Look how women are committing more and more violent crimes!

Oops sorry I didn't realise there was more pages!

Wow.

They're dead now so they won’t care they’re called it.

This is an awful lot of detailed information to know in a very short time.

Do you have links?

These school shooting massacres are so awful. Imagine the horror of a child going to school to face that terror; imagine your child going to school and never coming home.

On a Swedish study of transsexuals, it was found that MtF (transwomen) retained male offending patterns.

but

FtM (transmen) did not retain female offending patterns. They became more like men.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043071/

This data is really important to look at in these cases.

In terms of the reporting, I said in my response to the IPSO consultation on reporting of sex and gender that reporters should specify if pronouns are sex or gender based. Every time. Otherwise they WILL be misleading people. It could just be a brief line at the top. And it would mean that people would at least know the framework within which the article is operating. And I bet journalists using sex based pronouns would get more views.