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They’re not Terfs they are ‘Terds’ Senator Nick McKim announces in Tasmanian Parliament

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Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 22/03/2023 09:01

I can’t believe the misogyny and hostility towards women.

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MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 22/03/2023 14:32

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/03/2023 14:27

It's all a bit like JKR, people say she's transphobic, but they seem completely unable to articulate why. It should be easy, no?

I think it comes back to people's concept of 'my truth.' 'My truth is that JKR is transphobic therefore she is.'* No matter that people ask for the actual hard evidence in words, someone feels that JKR is transphobic means she actually is and the hard evidence is irrelevant. Never mind that people can demonstrate the opposite using her own words.

*that's not my truth, BTW.

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 14:34

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 14:31

I would turn that analysis back on yourself and ask yourself why you struggle with being open to the idea you might be close minded about something or wrong about someone.

Because I have poured through and even written transcripts to seek the truth of these situations.

I am not 'closed minded'. I have yet to see anyone actually produce one shred of evidence of anything that is not based on someone else's bad faith and prejudiced view. One shred.

Have you? Have you produced anything other than a video that you have interpreted from a Penis News article?

Thelnebriati · 22/03/2023 14:35

Great, now you've got that off your chest, what about politicians who make dehumanising comments calling women 'turds' and 'dropkicks'?

OneMorePlant · 22/03/2023 14:37

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 22/03/2023 14:32

I think it comes back to people's concept of 'my truth.' 'My truth is that JKR is transphobic therefore she is.'* No matter that people ask for the actual hard evidence in words, someone feels that JKR is transphobic means she actually is and the hard evidence is irrelevant. Never mind that people can demonstrate the opposite using her own words.

*that's not my truth, BTW.

This is the problem when you start putting feelings and ideas above reality.

Nothing makes sense anymore and people thing the most stupid things and are convinced they are right.

Our society is in a mass formation psychosis. And the only way we can break out of it is for every sane person to speak up loud and clear. Everyone.

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 14:37

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 14:29

What part of my post indicates that I hate to hear it and that I have not actively encouraged people to form their own opinions?

I am saying that you are spreading misinformation based on your unsupported views.

I asked for your opinions on the context of the gun video, and you said this was ‘my rodeo’. Then you posted a transcript without real explanation of what you thought the context was.

I’ve tried to engage with you, that I thought language was violent, and you keep asking me for hard truths, evidence and word for word specifics (you have to look at the whole). We are talking about language, politics and philisophy where hard truths don’t really exist like you think they do because speeches/writing can be interpreted differently.

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 14:37

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 14:31

I would turn that analysis back on yourself and ask yourself why you struggle with being open to the idea you might be close minded about something or wrong about someone.

By the way, it is obviously very evident that I DO struggle with dishonesty.

I am and have been upfront about this.

And I find a prejudiced interpretation of a video, written about in PN, a dishonest representation of what actually happened.

Just like I have spent the morning pointing out the reality that this group of men spent at least half of their time down with the Victorian Socialists and not 'on the side' of women.

What have you done to find out the truth for yourself? Anything?

Thelnebriati · 22/03/2023 14:37

Why dont you start a new thread about that and stop derailing this one?

OneMorePlant · 22/03/2023 14:38

Thelnebriati · 22/03/2023 14:37

Why dont you start a new thread about that and stop derailing this one?

Agreed.

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 14:41

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 14:37

By the way, it is obviously very evident that I DO struggle with dishonesty.

I am and have been upfront about this.

And I find a prejudiced interpretation of a video, written about in PN, a dishonest representation of what actually happened.

Just like I have spent the morning pointing out the reality that this group of men spent at least half of their time down with the Victorian Socialists and not 'on the side' of women.

What have you done to find out the truth for yourself? Anything?

But the truth depends on which side of the argument you’re on? Your reality/situation. It’s dishonesty in the sense we’re deliberately making shit up to one up eachother. And how do you know what you read is the truth and what others have read isn’t? Both sides of the debate seem pretty convinced they're absolutely right.

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 14:41

Not dishonesty**

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 14:42

OneMorePlant · 22/03/2023 14:38

Agreed.

Sorry but it’s bit late

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 14:45

Thelnebriati · 22/03/2023 14:43

Oh look, it’s The Truth. It says so!

Thelnebriati · 22/03/2023 14:45

Similarly, the organiser of the Melbourne event, Angie Jones, told radio host Richard King that the neo-Nazis made clear their disdain for feminists beforehand: “They had nothing to do with us. We find their views abhorrent, and they find us abhorrent. On Twitter they said they despised us and that we were trying to turn people into lesbians.

”This sideshow detracted from more serious topics under discussion: ...That’s not to mention the chilling effect on speech created when uttering these concerns lead to social ostracisation.

OneMorePlant · 22/03/2023 14:46

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 14:42

Sorry but it’s bit late

It's not. You could just stop. It's that easy.

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2023 14:47

Does anyone have a link to the video of the man who was at the rally? He says 'right' a lot.

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2023 14:47

Sorry, that's hopelessly vague. I can't remember his name.

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 14:48

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MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 22/03/2023 14:48

Dan Andrews, FGS. The man who during the pandemic turned Victoria into facsimile of N Korea.

OneMorePlant · 22/03/2023 14:48

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2023 14:47

Does anyone have a link to the video of the man who was at the rally? He says 'right' a lot.

This guy?

https://twitter.com/therealrukshan/status/1637967679859589123

https://twitter.com/therealrukshan/status/1637967679859589123

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2023 14:49

That's the one! Thank you! Amazing. Grin

Thelnebriati · 22/03/2023 14:49

Thats the one.

It looks like we could do with reposting the guide to forum agitators. Again.

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 14:49

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 14:37

I asked for your opinions on the context of the gun video, and you said this was ‘my rodeo’. Then you posted a transcript without real explanation of what you thought the context was.

I’ve tried to engage with you, that I thought language was violent, and you keep asking me for hard truths, evidence and word for word specifics (you have to look at the whole). We are talking about language, politics and philisophy where hard truths don’t really exist like you think they do because speeches/writing can be interpreted differently.

I posted what I thought the context was under the transcript. I was clear about what I thought the context was.

You have done nothing but repeat 'the language was violent' and the assertion that 'She’s joking about violence against trans women'.

No. She was calling for men to enter female single sex spaces. And I disagreed with her.

She also wanted to show how ridiculous Self ID was. Did you miss that point?

"that's one of the many ways that you are going to have to combat the insanity of self-ID Even if it's not called self-ID, that's pretty much what you have, now, in the United States"

She is making a point that any male who simply says they are a woman can enter female single sex spaces.

In what way have you engaged with me that is any different from the way I have engage with you?

"and you keep asking me for hard truths, evidence and word for word specifics (you have to look at the whole)."

No kidding! Did you see me post the transcript of another video and say just that - look at the whole!

"We are talking about language, politics and philisophy where hard truths don’t really exist like you think they do because speeches/writing can be interpreted differently."

No kidding!

Hence, me asking you for the words that made you form you clearly prejudiced opinion. And me repeatedly stating you have made a bad faith interpretation.

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2023 14:50

By the way, how can we be sure the Nazis weren't there to support the TRAs?

beastlyslumber · 22/03/2023 14:50

It’s dishonesty in the sense we’re deliberately making shit up to one up eachother.

Not we. You are doing that.

Helle doesn't ever make shit up. I would have thought that would be obvious to anyone who's ever entangled with her. She backs everything up.

But I'm glad you admit that's what you're doing.

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