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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

They’re not Terfs they are ‘Terds’ Senator Nick McKim announces in Tasmanian Parliament

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Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 22/03/2023 09:01

I can’t believe the misogyny and hostility towards women.

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Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 14:11

Hepwo · 22/03/2023 13:54

I am also bashing anyone who doesn’t see it as an issue that the nazis are cool with what you are saying

That women should have single sex spaces?
That children should protected from surgery and hormones?
That female representation does not include men?
That safeguarding protects children from paedophilia.

You are selective about who is allowed to think those things?. Will they become bad things if thought by the wrong people.

You certainly get to see how stupid some people are here.

Blimey.

The entrenched thinking is hard to miss isn't it.

Posters really don't think through these things.

Turnipworkharder · 22/03/2023 14:11

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 14:08

Would you like me to post you their names?

Yes please

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 14:13

Turnipworkharder · 22/03/2023 14:11

Yes please

Before I do this. Why? And what is the relevance to this thread?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/03/2023 14:14

I don't know. I have a copy of the deleted tweet, but it's horrible and I don't like posting this shit. I'll post a link, okay? If anyone wants to read it.

Yes, I saw it. She got rightly ratioed, which is I imagine why she's taken it down.

MarshaBradyo · 22/03/2023 14:14

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2023 14:10

I don't know. I have a copy of the deleted tweet, but it's horrible and I don't like posting this shit. I'll post a link, okay? If anyone wants to read it.

https://twitter.com/Cr0mw3II/status/1638503225899859968/photo/1

There’s a problem growing with this extreme rhetoric

If I say you can’t change sex and women deserve single sex spaces what is expected back?

Dehumanising language, threats of violence, accusations of being linked to extreme atrocities in history

Where’s our space to talk? I think we need to take this seriously and keep pushing back against some really scary stuff against women

suggestionsplease1 · 22/03/2023 14:15

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 14:01

Excellent. It is really just like you posting multiple studies that didn't actually show what you wanted people to believe they did and then never came back and discussed the very studies you posted that others had analysed.

Well the ones they could access...

It was a bit like this link that you posted here that doesn't work, you posted studies that people couldn't access. I expect you had no access either but simply googled and posted stuff that you thought would convince others.

Very similar tactics to here in fact. Why do you think that others will view things in your prejudiced way?

So keep on going suggestions. We know that this is like the transphobia in J K Rowling's essay.

Readers .... do go and watch the video. Read along with the transcript, that has not be clipped as suggestions' transcript was on another thread to detach the context.

Go and watch the video and work out whether you believe suggestions or not.

🤣🙈" But show me where Posie Parker demonstrates hatred of trans people"

Me: shows evidence of Posie Parker demonstrating hatred towards trans people

"But you haven't proven to me how hatred is hatred so clearly that is not hatred" 🤦🤦🤦

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2023 14:17

MarshaBradyo · 22/03/2023 14:14

There’s a problem growing with this extreme rhetoric

If I say you can’t change sex and women deserve single sex spaces what is expected back?

Dehumanising language, threats of violence, accusations of being linked to extreme atrocities in history

Where’s our space to talk? I think we need to take this seriously and keep pushing back against some really scary stuff against women

Absolutely. We're seeing outrageous made up shit used to stop women from talking about their experiences of rape, CSA, dv, etc.

We need to ask why.

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 14:18

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 14:03

She is not joking about violence against trans women.

She is joking about ridiculous men carrying guns and what to say they are doing. ie: 'carrying'.

You can disagree all you like but it doesn't change the words that were said. The words you cannot point to.

The words that were said are violent. They were said as a joke but still violent.

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 14:19

suggestionsplease1 · 22/03/2023 14:15

🤣🙈" But show me where Posie Parker demonstrates hatred of trans people"

Me: shows evidence of Posie Parker demonstrating hatred towards trans people

"But you haven't proven to me how hatred is hatred so clearly that is not hatred" 🤦🤦🤦

No. Use your words suggestions, you can do it.

Where does she says she hates trans people? Or indicates that she hates trans people?

Because I can just keep on asking. And I will. Because you keep posting this video.

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 14:20

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 14:18

The words that were said are violent. They were said as a joke but still violent.

What words that were said?

beastlyslumber · 22/03/2023 14:21

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 14:18

The words that were said are violent. They were said as a joke but still violent.

Words are just words. They aren't violent in themselves.

Did she make a threat or incite others to violence? No. You say yourself the words were said as a joke.

Waitwhat23 · 22/03/2023 14:22

You don't have to look much further than Scotland to find threats of violence by politicians...towards women. The 'decapitate TERFS' sign (flanked by our elected officials). The numerous violent threats made by Beth of 'I did it for Beth' infamy. The various tweets by our elected officials inciting violence against women. Our FM calling women names. I could go on and on.

And wasn't the fascist baby shouter an advisor for the deeply unpleasant Lloyd Russell-Moyle who felt entitled to intimidate Miriam Cates during Parliament for daring to have an opinion which differed to his own?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/03/2023 14:22

At least Suggestions appears to have given up on the hilarious claim that KJK is going to go after all her feminist opponents and murder them based on her use of linguistic hyperbole. After having her arse handed to her about it by Datun and others on a different thread.

Thelnebriati · 22/03/2023 14:24

At least Suggestions appears to have given up on the hilarious claim that KJK is going to go after all her feminist opponents and murder

Have you met PP? She doesn't come up to my chin. I could tuck her under one arm and run away.

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 14:24

If neither of you can point out the words and how you think they should be interpreted, all you have are empty claims based on your own prejudiced interpretations.

And readers see this and they go off and do the research themselves. They will look at the videos and they will read the transcript to make sure that I have not posted something that is false.

And they will make up their own minds.

Posters just saying 'what she said was hateful / violent', is unconvincing to anyone. And requires the same degree of preformed negative opinion as the claim that any of these women organising the event on Saturday were responsible for, inviting of or supporting in any way of the National Socialist Network being at that event.

Turnipworkharder · 22/03/2023 14:25

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 14:13

Before I do this. Why? And what is the relevance to this thread?

It's fine I'll just look it up myself. I'm sure it's not top secret 😀

Waitwhat23 · 22/03/2023 14:26

suggestionsplease1 · 22/03/2023 14:15

🤣🙈" But show me where Posie Parker demonstrates hatred of trans people"

Me: shows evidence of Posie Parker demonstrating hatred towards trans people

"But you haven't proven to me how hatred is hatred so clearly that is not hatred" 🤦🤦🤦

did you ever provide accessible links to the studies you provided as 'proof' that men can literally become women in a previous thread, given that the vast majority were only accessible to those with institutional or personal Shibboleth (and similar) accounts?

I remember asking but don't remember seeing them...

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 14:26

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 14:11

Blimey.

The entrenched thinking is hard to miss isn't it.

Posters really don't think through these things.

You assume because I don’t like KJK that I don’t care about the above or have views that might be similar to yours.

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 14:26

Turnipworkharder · 22/03/2023 14:25

It's fine I'll just look it up myself. I'm sure it's not top secret 😀

It isn't. I fail to see the relevance of posting it on this thread though. So why should anyone do it.

If it was relevant in some way, I would happily do it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/03/2023 14:27

It's all a bit like JKR, people say she's transphobic, but they seem completely unable to articulate why. It should be easy, no?

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 14:27

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 14:24

If neither of you can point out the words and how you think they should be interpreted, all you have are empty claims based on your own prejudiced interpretations.

And readers see this and they go off and do the research themselves. They will look at the videos and they will read the transcript to make sure that I have not posted something that is false.

And they will make up their own minds.

Posters just saying 'what she said was hateful / violent', is unconvincing to anyone. And requires the same degree of preformed negative opinion as the claim that any of these women organising the event on Saturday were responsible for, inviting of or supporting in any way of the National Socialist Network being at that event.

I would encourage people to form their own opinions by watching videos and reading. I have my opinion and sorry you hate to hear it.

Thelnebriati · 22/03/2023 14:27

PP claiming that feminists=Nazis need to come up with some proof that Nazis support feminists instead of ignoring the fact they are whining about us trying to turn other women into lesbians by speaking without men present.

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 14:28

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 14:26

You assume because I don’t like KJK that I don’t care about the above or have views that might be similar to yours.

I assume nothing.

You have shown that you are happy to make claims that lack logic and evidence. It doesn't matter what you believe, you are here spreading misinformation .

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 14:29

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 14:27

I would encourage people to form their own opinions by watching videos and reading. I have my opinion and sorry you hate to hear it.

What part of my post indicates that I hate to hear it and that I have not actively encouraged people to form their own opinions?

I am saying that you are spreading misinformation based on your unsupported views.

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 14:31

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 14:24

If neither of you can point out the words and how you think they should be interpreted, all you have are empty claims based on your own prejudiced interpretations.

And readers see this and they go off and do the research themselves. They will look at the videos and they will read the transcript to make sure that I have not posted something that is false.

And they will make up their own minds.

Posters just saying 'what she said was hateful / violent', is unconvincing to anyone. And requires the same degree of preformed negative opinion as the claim that any of these women organising the event on Saturday were responsible for, inviting of or supporting in any way of the National Socialist Network being at that event.

I would turn that analysis back on yourself and ask yourself why you struggle with being open to the idea you might be close minded about something or wrong about someone.

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