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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

They’re not Terfs they are ‘Terds’ Senator Nick McKim announces in Tasmanian Parliament

723 replies

Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 22/03/2023 09:01

I can’t believe the misogyny and hostility towards women.

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CremeEggQueen · 22/03/2023 12:27

MishyJDI · 22/03/2023 12:23

Fortunately Posie also describes herself as not a feminist. So there should be allowable distancing all around!

Exactly, as I said there will be genuine feminists but there are a lot who have never claimed to be and have declared themselves as such.

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 12:28

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 22/03/2023 12:22

I think we need a bit more than this you silly sausage!

do you never have to do any persuasive writing at all?

Trying to undermine and belittle people who don’t agree with you doesn’t make you superior. It looks a little desperate.

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 12:28

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 09:52

Tell us again mishy. Are you an Australian? Or just like to make cultural statements on behalf of Australians.

Because I am getting very fucked off by your comments that have little understanding for the opinions of substantive majority of of Australians.

You also seem to have little understanding about the current wider political climate in Australia and groups such as these Neo-nazis. And you seem to also have little understanding of how the public view the media in Australia.

You DON'T speak for Australians, I suspect since you haven't answered the last 5 times that I have asked whether you are an Australian that you simply spent some time there or have relos here and believe that you 'know Australia'.

I don't understand why you continue to position yourself to make these statements.

Here you go Mishy. Glad you are back.

Are you an Australian?

Why do you think that you can make such blanket statements about Australian culture?

sanluca · 22/03/2023 12:29

She hates trans people

She hosts rallies called let women speak where women talk about womens issues. One of the issues being the effects of letting men falsify their birth certificates to say they are female with which they can bypass sex segregation put in to protect women. Now trans supportes call this anti trans and women shouldn't be allowed to discuss it. They think and want to action that women should just deal with any issue that arises from this or stay home.
I say women should always have the fundamental right to discuss laws that directly impact them. Always. It is part of living in a democracy.

I have seen “ok groomer” as a response to people who perpetuate the idea to young people and children that it’s possible to change sex, to people who tell them the world is trying to commit trans genocide, or people who think drag is appropriate for children, or people who want to teach the falsehoods of gender identity to young children in schools, or people who tell girls a mastectomy will improve their mental health, or people who publish standards of care containing a chapter on Eunuch identity written in collaboration with child sex abuse fetishists, or people who tell children to run away from their parents, or people who ask children to DM them on social media, or people who want to perform naked in front of children on stage and erode boundaries, or people who claim “love has no age” or people who defend workers for children’s charities who film themselves masturbating at work, and so on.

Trans supporters are of the opinion you can never call out unnaceptable behaviour if done by someone who is transgender. They are above safegaurding measures that are applicable to everyone else.
If you then dare say that that gives sex offenders a 'get out jail free' card as they can fraudently claim trans status and then be above approach, you are accused of being anti trans.

Basically you can never say anything negative about anything that has to do with biology, a transperson specifically, a group of trans people, laws dealing with transgender or positive things about laws dealing with sex segregation, female biology or handling of female issues.

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 12:30

CremeEggQueen · 22/03/2023 12:27

Exactly, as I said there will be genuine feminists but there are a lot who have never claimed to be and have declared themselves as such.

And what is the relevance of what % of women attending being feminists or not?

How do you think this contributes to your arguments which have been shown to be full of logical flaws and prejudice?

Is there a prescribe % before it can be called a feminist event?

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 12:31

Hepwo · 22/03/2023 12:26

It's the case that whatever anyone says only your opinions of them count? You can ascribe any motivation to anyone at any time?

Well the same goes for you. If you object to people with anti peado signs that makes you pro peado.

See, how this works?

Being part of a neo nazi group is a pretty bold statement about your political views. Are you … standing up for them? Not All Nazis?

Hepwo · 22/03/2023 12:32

CremeEggQueen · 22/03/2023 12:09

People are just taking the piss now, got to be - there can't be this much wilful blindness- it's like an ostrich sticking its head in the sand or something 😂

All you have done is insinuate.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 22/03/2023 12:32

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 12:26

I just assumed you all knew that that’s how she appears to a lot of people? I’m not trying to persuade you of anything, it’s just my perspective. I think she’s anti-feminist (and harmful to it) & anti-trans.

So I should believe something because ‘everyone knows it’?

I mean this does explain the approach of a number of people on this thread, but it doesn’t seem like a great way to live your life to me

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 12:32

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 12:18

She hates trans people.

I denounce the actions and have not connection with the National Socialist Network!

She doesn't hate trans people.

Can you provide the evidence for such a horrific statement?

Beowulfa · 22/03/2023 12:33

As if the nazi blokes are on a chat forum right now agonising about the people they associated with on their fun goose-stepping day out.

No, it's just women who have to justify what they said, how they said it, and if they said it in the vicinity of the wrong people.

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 12:33

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 12:31

Being part of a neo nazi group is a pretty bold statement about your political views. Are you … standing up for them? Not All Nazis?

So does Hepwo have to use my disclaimer too. So this is the state of things because you cannot support your own claim and you cannot acknowledge the fail in logic.

I denounce the actions and have not connection with the National Socialist Network!

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 22/03/2023 12:35

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 12:28

Trying to undermine and belittle people who don’t agree with you doesn’t make you superior. It looks a little desperate.

Lovey, you’re undermining yourself by being unable to explain why you believe what you believe

I’m busy weighing up the merits of Lindt eggs

MarshaBradyo · 22/03/2023 12:36

Clymene · 22/03/2023 09:32

Australia is deeply misogynist. New Zealand has the highest rate of domestic violence of all OECD countries. It should be no surprise that hatred for women is embedded into every aspect of the governance.

Yes fair go doesn’t seem to apply to women

Anyway what’s terd is it meant to be instead of turd

Haven’t watched video

suggestionsplease1 · 22/03/2023 12:36

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 12:32

I denounce the actions and have not connection with the National Socialist Network!

She doesn't hate trans people.

Can you provide the evidence for such a horrific statement?

https://www.youtube.com/live/qKvpwpfX7-g?feature=share

See from 9.40

Before you continue to YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/live/qKvpwpfX7-g?feature=share

NotBadConsidering · 22/03/2023 12:39

Can you provide the evidence for such a horrific statement?

Get your bingo cards out ready!

It’s not what she said
It’s the way she said it
It’s what she didn’t say
It’s clear she meant the exact opposite
It’s who was within a 10 mile radius saying something that matters
She turned me into a newt

Did I forget any?

PSNonsense · 22/03/2023 12:39

do you never have to do any persuasive writing at all

None of them do!

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 12:39

sanluca · 22/03/2023 12:29

She hates trans people

She hosts rallies called let women speak where women talk about womens issues. One of the issues being the effects of letting men falsify their birth certificates to say they are female with which they can bypass sex segregation put in to protect women. Now trans supportes call this anti trans and women shouldn't be allowed to discuss it. They think and want to action that women should just deal with any issue that arises from this or stay home.
I say women should always have the fundamental right to discuss laws that directly impact them. Always. It is part of living in a democracy.

I have seen “ok groomer” as a response to people who perpetuate the idea to young people and children that it’s possible to change sex, to people who tell them the world is trying to commit trans genocide, or people who think drag is appropriate for children, or people who want to teach the falsehoods of gender identity to young children in schools, or people who tell girls a mastectomy will improve their mental health, or people who publish standards of care containing a chapter on Eunuch identity written in collaboration with child sex abuse fetishists, or people who tell children to run away from their parents, or people who ask children to DM them on social media, or people who want to perform naked in front of children on stage and erode boundaries, or people who claim “love has no age” or people who defend workers for children’s charities who film themselves masturbating at work, and so on.

Trans supporters are of the opinion you can never call out unnaceptable behaviour if done by someone who is transgender. They are above safegaurding measures that are applicable to everyone else.
If you then dare say that that gives sex offenders a 'get out jail free' card as they can fraudently claim trans status and then be above approach, you are accused of being anti trans.

Basically you can never say anything negative about anything that has to do with biology, a transperson specifically, a group of trans people, laws dealing with transgender or positive things about laws dealing with sex segregation, female biology or handling of female issues.

She hosts rallies called let women speak where women talk about womens issues. One of the issues being the effects of letting men falsify their birth certificates to say they are female with which they can bypass sex segregation put in to protect women. Now trans supportes call this anti trans and women shouldn't be allowed to discuss it. They think and want to action that women should just deal with any issue that arises from this or stay home. I say women should always have the fundamental right to discuss laws that directly impact them. Always. It is part of living in a democracy.

Women absolutely should be platform and discuss issues affecting them, absolutely no question. There are other speakers, events for women that do exactly this. KJK does not consider herself part of the feminist movement. I think she’s harming it and doing more bad than good, polarising women with slightly differing views and aligning herself with the far right.. and some people seem fine with that? She’s being put on a pedestal and that makes me deeply uncomfortable.

Hepwo · 22/03/2023 12:39

HipTightOnions · 22/03/2023 12:18

"Views", apparently, Bernard.

And I think we are supposed to "do it ourselves" to understand what they are.

We have done exactly that.

The view expressed by the national socialist group is anti peado.

We can only conclude that creme egg considers this to be in alignment with the women speaking and creme egg is therefore opposed to being anti peado.

lifeturnsonadime · 22/03/2023 12:40

It's just depressing.

This thread started off about a politician comparing women wanting women's rights to excrement and has turned into a slagging off of women wanting women's rights for apparently being aligned to a group of men that turned up to shit stir.

Women really are fucked. It's just awful.

Women are blamed by men for wanting to speak and are blamed for the actions of men. It's always women's fault. Always.

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 12:40

Platformed* sorry

CremeEggQueen · 22/03/2023 12:41

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 22/03/2023 12:35

Lovey, you’re undermining yourself by being unable to explain why you believe what you believe

I’m busy weighing up the merits of Lindt eggs

Lovey. 🙄
So we've moved onto patronising as well now?
Its utterly pathetic how it quickly detoriates "debate wise" on here once there's more than one dissenting voice
So far we've had " dont like creme eggs!" ok, good for you? 😂
Belittling and now patronising as well.
Its like a playground.

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 12:42

lifeturnsonadime · 22/03/2023 12:40

It's just depressing.

This thread started off about a politician comparing women wanting women's rights to excrement and has turned into a slagging off of women wanting women's rights for apparently being aligned to a group of men that turned up to shit stir.

Women really are fucked. It's just awful.

Women are blamed by men for wanting to speak and are blamed for the actions of men. It's always women's fault. Always.

No. Not what I’m saying anyway.
KJK doesn’t ‘represent’ women, she is just one person.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 22/03/2023 12:42

I just assumed you all knew that that’s how she appears to a lot of people? I’m not trying to persuade you of anything, it’s just my perspective

How and why are we supposed to know how she appears to other people (what other people)?

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 12:43

suggestionsplease1 · 22/03/2023 12:36

Hey readers, here is the fuller transcript of what she said.


Start

I am so sick of it.

When teachers are in front of those classrooms and they are obliterating the safeguarding of girls, I personally think that they are a safeguarding risk. I think they should be held to account. I don’t care who you are. I don’t care how long you have been teaching, I don’t care if it is the only way that you keep a roof over your head. It is only by your cowardice that this continues.

It is only by the cowardice of women in the police force, who damn well know that their superiors are autogynophiles, it is only by their cowardice that this continues.

If we all stood up and we pointed at the emperor’s penis, it would stop.
So many women are just too afraid, like come on!

What is it going to take? How many buckets of breast tissue do you need to see? How many girls do you need to know? How many girls do you need to know that they can no longer talk about what is unsafe? And what makes them feel unsafe because they are too afraid that they are going to be called unkind?

How many girls? A whole generation? Is that enough for you? Entire groups of children at university ?

Is that enough for you?

Does it have to be your own daughter before you will stand up and defend somebody? And even then, do you ?

Men, pretty bad. Right? Men, pretty bad. Unless a steaming pile of excrement is under their nose, they don’t smell it. But we women, we don’t smell it, we don’t taste it, we feel it. With every fibre of our bodies we feel it. We know it.
We remember it.

We remember a creepy man how they made us feel and now we're telling our daughters don't worry love – he calls himself a woman!

We knew when we were younger that those were the creepiest of men!

We knew it!

We could say it!

Nobody rang the bloody police about it because the police knew it!

We knew!

Way back a guy wrote a book about serial killing and often serial killers because serial killing is often a sexual kind of motivation. Starts with flashing, exposing one’s self, then it is minor sexual assault, then it is rape, then it is murder, that is how serial killing works. It is sexual fetish we know how strong they are. Often, those men were auto gynophiles.

We knew this. We knew it. The Police knew it. And now suddenly they have been rebranded as stunning and brave and vulnerable.

And now suddenly they are rebranded as stunning and brave and vulnerable – SOD OFF!

I am so sick and tired of the police now trying to persecute me, trying to catch me out, trying to charge me with a crime. Offer me a caution. For speaking about this stuff. And look. Look, I am a pretty strong woman. This takes up far too much of my god damn time.

I am so annoyed.

It is a woman doing it. Men don’t have to march upon our necks, they don’t have to put their hands around our throats, they get women to do it. And if women aren’t doing it directly, they are strangling us in other ways.

They are silencing us for not quite the ‘right message’. Not working with the ‘right people’. Not talking to the ‘right people’. Each and every one of you women who stand in my way.

Each and every one of you, let me just tell you, You will be annihilated. So if you want to stand in my way, be ready, ready, ready to watch the back of my arse as I walk away from you. As I walk ahead of you. You are eclipsed. Every single last one of you.

_

With some context I think we can see that she is certainly angry that women and girls are being inadequately safeguarded. She is saying that she thinks people who are supposed to be safeguarding and protecting women and girls are failing at their jobs.

She talks about how in the past, some ( and by the way, unless you are determined to make a very bad faith leap of interpretation here it is not 'all') males with sexual fetishes that exposed themselves to girls and women and other sexual acts, were recognised as 'creepy'. But now, those offenders are being enabled, and are very much getting harder for children and women to label as 'creepy' because children and women are having their sexual boundaries lowered.

They are enabled because women and girls are told they cannot make complaints about males exposing their penises in female single sex spaces that those males have a right to be there.

She is obviously very upset that she has to deal with the police for something she still has not talked about.

She has not said she 'hates trans people'. She has not even said that all trans people are like that.

But this is the second time you have posted this link as if it is evidence of some kind.

CremeEggQueen · 22/03/2023 12:43

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 12:39

She hosts rallies called let women speak where women talk about womens issues. One of the issues being the effects of letting men falsify their birth certificates to say they are female with which they can bypass sex segregation put in to protect women. Now trans supportes call this anti trans and women shouldn't be allowed to discuss it. They think and want to action that women should just deal with any issue that arises from this or stay home. I say women should always have the fundamental right to discuss laws that directly impact them. Always. It is part of living in a democracy.

Women absolutely should be platform and discuss issues affecting them, absolutely no question. There are other speakers, events for women that do exactly this. KJK does not consider herself part of the feminist movement. I think she’s harming it and doing more bad than good, polarising women with slightly differing views and aligning herself with the far right.. and some people seem fine with that? She’s being put on a pedestal and that makes me deeply uncomfortable.

I agree juju with what you've posted here