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They’re not Terfs they are ‘Terds’ Senator Nick McKim announces in Tasmanian Parliament

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Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 22/03/2023 09:01

I can’t believe the misogyny and hostility towards women.

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Jujuj · 22/03/2023 12:43

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 22/03/2023 12:42

I just assumed you all knew that that’s how she appears to a lot of people? I’m not trying to persuade you of anything, it’s just my perspective

How and why are we supposed to know how she appears to other people (what other people)?

I think you just have to widen your news sources then

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2023 12:44

StandUpAgainstIt · 22/03/2023 12:08

"*What do women have to do to be able to meet and speak in public?

What views is it acceptable for women to hold?

What views do women have to publically denounce?

What happens when they HAVE denounced them and they still get accused of holding the same views as the people they've denounced?"*

Apologies @ArabellaScott it won't let me quote for some reason! I'm not sure if this was partly in response to my post hoping that women denounce Nazis - I am hoping that a visible condemnation and clear separation at the time would also help Jewish women feel safer and more able to attend.

I know full well even if women publicly denounce it would be edited out of clips, ignored in following social media debates etc etc, but the whole point of GC meetings is to give women a platform to speak publicly, and confronting anti semitism should be done publicly as well as privately, and we shouldnt be silenced. IYSWIM. Sorry I'm probably explaining myself very badly, but as a Jewish woman (albeit not practising but lost my family in the Holocaust) I feel very strongly that anti semitism should be denounced whenever and wherever it is displayed, not just for the obvious reasons that it's fucking abhorrent, but for the safety of Jews. It's so important.

I was making a general post, not specifically responding to yours, but it is obviously relevant!

I agree that anti semitism is a bad thing. I just don't understand why women would need to denounce it before speaking. Would we also need to denounce all the other ills of the world? Should we do the thing they do in Canada where they apologise for colonising the space they're standing on? Then make it clear that we support human rights for everyone?

Saying that anti semitism and nazis are bad things goes without saying, as far as I'm concerned. To recite these repeatedly before speaking would be at best a distracting virtue signal, at worst, prompt 'x forced to deny connections with x' type of accusations.

Hepwo · 22/03/2023 12:44

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 12:31

Being part of a neo nazi group is a pretty bold statement about your political views. Are you … standing up for them? Not All Nazis?

I'm not the one trying to make guilt by proximity stick, that's you.

And you are getting very upset about women in proximity to anti peado signs so I can take from that you don't want peados to be upset by anyone at all no matter what their politics.

suggestionsplease1 · 22/03/2023 12:45

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 12:43

Hey readers, here is the fuller transcript of what she said.


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I am so sick of it.

When teachers are in front of those classrooms and they are obliterating the safeguarding of girls, I personally think that they are a safeguarding risk. I think they should be held to account. I don’t care who you are. I don’t care how long you have been teaching, I don’t care if it is the only way that you keep a roof over your head. It is only by your cowardice that this continues.

It is only by the cowardice of women in the police force, who damn well know that their superiors are autogynophiles, it is only by their cowardice that this continues.

If we all stood up and we pointed at the emperor’s penis, it would stop.
So many women are just too afraid, like come on!

What is it going to take? How many buckets of breast tissue do you need to see? How many girls do you need to know? How many girls do you need to know that they can no longer talk about what is unsafe? And what makes them feel unsafe because they are too afraid that they are going to be called unkind?

How many girls? A whole generation? Is that enough for you? Entire groups of children at university ?

Is that enough for you?

Does it have to be your own daughter before you will stand up and defend somebody? And even then, do you ?

Men, pretty bad. Right? Men, pretty bad. Unless a steaming pile of excrement is under their nose, they don’t smell it. But we women, we don’t smell it, we don’t taste it, we feel it. With every fibre of our bodies we feel it. We know it.
We remember it.

We remember a creepy man how they made us feel and now we're telling our daughters don't worry love – he calls himself a woman!

We knew when we were younger that those were the creepiest of men!

We knew it!

We could say it!

Nobody rang the bloody police about it because the police knew it!

We knew!

Way back a guy wrote a book about serial killing and often serial killers because serial killing is often a sexual kind of motivation. Starts with flashing, exposing one’s self, then it is minor sexual assault, then it is rape, then it is murder, that is how serial killing works. It is sexual fetish we know how strong they are. Often, those men were auto gynophiles.

We knew this. We knew it. The Police knew it. And now suddenly they have been rebranded as stunning and brave and vulnerable.

And now suddenly they are rebranded as stunning and brave and vulnerable – SOD OFF!

I am so sick and tired of the police now trying to persecute me, trying to catch me out, trying to charge me with a crime. Offer me a caution. For speaking about this stuff. And look. Look, I am a pretty strong woman. This takes up far too much of my god damn time.

I am so annoyed.

It is a woman doing it. Men don’t have to march upon our necks, they don’t have to put their hands around our throats, they get women to do it. And if women aren’t doing it directly, they are strangling us in other ways.

They are silencing us for not quite the ‘right message’. Not working with the ‘right people’. Not talking to the ‘right people’. Each and every one of you women who stand in my way.

Each and every one of you, let me just tell you, You will be annihilated. So if you want to stand in my way, be ready, ready, ready to watch the back of my arse as I walk away from you. As I walk ahead of you. You are eclipsed. Every single last one of you.

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With some context I think we can see that she is certainly angry that women and girls are being inadequately safeguarded. She is saying that she thinks people who are supposed to be safeguarding and protecting women and girls are failing at their jobs.

She talks about how in the past, some ( and by the way, unless you are determined to make a very bad faith leap of interpretation here it is not 'all') males with sexual fetishes that exposed themselves to girls and women and other sexual acts, were recognised as 'creepy'. But now, those offenders are being enabled, and are very much getting harder for children and women to label as 'creepy' because children and women are having their sexual boundaries lowered.

They are enabled because women and girls are told they cannot make complaints about males exposing their penises in female single sex spaces that those males have a right to be there.

She is obviously very upset that she has to deal with the police for something she still has not talked about.

She has not said she 'hates trans people'. She has not even said that all trans people are like that.

But this is the second time you have posted this link as if it is evidence of some kind.

🤣 I don't know what world you are living in where you ask for evidence that Posie Parker hates trans people and refute that this video provides it.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 22/03/2023 12:46

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 12:43

I think you just have to widen your news sources then

Educate me and post some links.

Beowulfa · 22/03/2023 12:46

If I saw neo-nazis at one of these events I would genuinely assume they were there to shout for (male) trans rights. Given what we know of senior party members' fondness for cross dressing back in the day.

MarshaBradyo · 22/03/2023 12:46

lifeturnsonadime · 22/03/2023 12:40

It's just depressing.

This thread started off about a politician comparing women wanting women's rights to excrement and has turned into a slagging off of women wanting women's rights for apparently being aligned to a group of men that turned up to shit stir.

Women really are fucked. It's just awful.

Women are blamed by men for wanting to speak and are blamed for the actions of men. It's always women's fault. Always.

So depressing. How dare he call us that anyway. Maddening

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2023 12:46

suggestionsplease1 · 22/03/2023 12:22

The problem with the sign in that context is that it is promoting an association of trans people (or lesbians in my scenario) with paedophilia, isn't it?

But we do know, from the rhetoric of her many videos, that Posie Parker is quite happy to make this unfounded association. So no wonder these people felt quite at home at her speech.

Posie was holding this sign, was she?

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2023 12:47

🤣 I don't know what world you are living in where you ask for evidence that Posie Parker hates trans people and refute that this video provides it.

But ... where is it? What is it that she says that you take issue with?

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 12:48

Hepwo · 22/03/2023 12:44

I'm not the one trying to make guilt by proximity stick, that's you.

And you are getting very upset about women in proximity to anti peado signs so I can take from that you don't want peados to be upset by anyone at all no matter what their politics.

Nope, I didn’t try to make anyone guilty by association/proximity.
I’m saying don’t put people on a pedestal, don’t defend nazis when they turn up.

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 12:49

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 12:48

Nope, I didn’t try to make anyone guilty by association/proximity.
I’m saying don’t put people on a pedestal, don’t defend nazis when they turn up.

The leaps and connections you’re making aren’t clever ‘gotcha’ moments.

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 12:49

suggestionsplease1 · 22/03/2023 12:45

🤣 I don't know what world you are living in where you ask for evidence that Posie Parker hates trans people and refute that this video provides it.

I think it is time for you to be very specific.

Where does she say she hates trans people?

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2023 12:49

I don't know why I'm trying to give posters the benefit of the doubt and engage. If you're not able to actually discuss the issues, unwilling to answer very simple questions, and just do laughing emojis I'm not going to engage further.

Is anyone going to pull this politician up for his dehumanising rhetoric?

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2023 12:50

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 12:48

Nope, I didn’t try to make anyone guilty by association/proximity.
I’m saying don’t put people on a pedestal, don’t defend nazis when they turn up.

Who is putting anyone on a pedestal? Who is defending nazis?

MarshaBradyo · 22/03/2023 12:51

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2023 12:49

I don't know why I'm trying to give posters the benefit of the doubt and engage. If you're not able to actually discuss the issues, unwilling to answer very simple questions, and just do laughing emojis I'm not going to engage further.

Is anyone going to pull this politician up for his dehumanising rhetoric?

Which groups have been dehumanised by language like this?

Why does anyone think it’s ok?

I’m really taken aback by it

Excrement no less

NotBadConsidering · 22/03/2023 12:52

don’t defend nazis when they turn up

Sigh. No one has. No one. At all.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 22/03/2023 12:52

Could all KJK's critics on this thread please tell me what form of feminist protest they think would have been acceptable to Nick McKim and his ilk? The answer is none, isn't it? Nick doesn't think KJK and her supporters are unacceptable because some Nazis turned up. He very explicitly says that they are unacceptable because of their stated views - which are not about Nazis, but about women's rights.

So, according to @MishyJDI , Australia is a nation that does not tolerate discrimination. But it's also a nation where elected politicians feel free to compare women who want single-sex spaces to shit.

PSNonsense · 22/03/2023 12:52

don’t defend nazis when they turn up.

Who is defending Nazis?

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 12:52

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2023 12:49

I don't know why I'm trying to give posters the benefit of the doubt and engage. If you're not able to actually discuss the issues, unwilling to answer very simple questions, and just do laughing emojis I'm not going to engage further.

Is anyone going to pull this politician up for his dehumanising rhetoric?

I feel like I am engaging but maybe we look at the same rhetoric/videos and have different opinions of what is the ‘truth’?
You see someone standing up for women and saying what needs to be said, I see someone whipping up hatred and division?

suggestionsplease1 · 22/03/2023 12:53

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 12:49

I think it is time for you to be very specific.

Where does she say she hates trans people?

Jesus wept 😂 if the subject matter wasn't so grim I could give this video to a class of 10 year olds who would be able to point out the prejudice and bigotry.

And people here can't, and need to ask for a handhold to see it?!?

🤣

NotBadConsidering · 22/03/2023 12:53

Is anyone going to pull this politician up for his dehumanising rhetoric?

As I pointed out near beginning of thread, he’s being hugely criticised on the actual Twitter thread. People aren’t buying it at all.

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2023 12:53

More laugh emojis, along with another refusal to answer a simple question. This is trolling.

lifeturnsonadime · 22/03/2023 12:54

All of this Nazi talk is intentional deflection to draw away from the fact that a Male Politician has compared women wanting rights to excrement.

Very interesting that all of those condemning KJK are silent on the actual issue here.

Women wanting rights being dehumanised.

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 12:54

PSNonsense · 22/03/2023 12:52

don’t defend nazis when they turn up.

Who is defending Nazis?

A previous poster was defending the nazis who showed up because they were there on the grounds of being ‘anti peado’ and that I shouldn’t assume their wider political views.

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2023 12:54

NotBadConsidering · 22/03/2023 12:53

Is anyone going to pull this politician up for his dehumanising rhetoric?

As I pointed out near beginning of thread, he’s being hugely criticised on the actual Twitter thread. People aren’t buying it at all.

That's good to hear. I would imagine there are rules in place about public servants making these kind of dehumanising statements?