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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Come on Ireland! Leo Varadkar says violent males should NOT be in prison with women

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ArabellaScott · 21/03/2023 19:08

https://twitter.com/griptmedia/status/1638242240609804288

'"Is Barbie Kardashian a woman?": Taoiseach Leo Varadkar says that biological males should not be put in women's prisons.'

https://twitter.com/griptmedia/status/1638242240609804288

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Mommymoments · 30/03/2023 07:35

@Childrenofthestones yes these middle class lefties think they are liberal & progressive

ArabellaScott · 30/03/2023 08:07

I don't see how anyone can be 'educated' to agree with ideas that are absurd. One can be forced to comply - not the same thing.

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StephanieSuperpowers · 30/03/2023 08:16

Yeah, I mean, I would see myself as a middle class leftie and I even studied the likes of Foucault in college. But I think that everyone can be subject to social pressure. Nobody likes to stand out as the person who doesn't get it. I'm fortunate in that I don't work in the area I would have expected to work in, so I think I'm insulated from having to go along or risk my job and relationships.

miri1985 · 30/03/2023 08:49

ArabellaScott · 30/03/2023 08:07

I don't see how anyone can be 'educated' to agree with ideas that are absurd. One can be forced to comply - not the same thing.

What gets me is the arrogance of presupposing that people haven't looked into this or done their research. Especially when the side that has supposedly educated themselves could not/refused to forsee that prisons, changing rooms etc would be an issue.

For a "private" meeting this was incredibly leaked. The Independent reported that some TD's apparently they've been getting more emails about this than the eviction ban https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/fine-gael-tds-getting-more-emails-on-transgender-issues-than-on-the-eviction-ban-party-meeting-hears-42410101.html

Fine Gael TDs ‘getting more emails on transgender issues than on the eviction ban’ party meeting hears

Fine Gael TDs are getting more emails on transgender issues than on the eviction ban, a private party meeting has been told.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/fine-gael-tds-getting-more-emails-on-transgender-issues-than-on-the-eviction-ban-party-meeting-hears-42410101.html

ArabellaScott · 30/03/2023 09:06

Good! So it sounds like the issue is getting through, just like it did in Scotland.

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Mommymoments · 30/03/2023 09:22

I emailed my local td last night re Rory's woman hating tweets & about the rise & power of trans groups oppressing women.
He replied this morning looking for my postal address why would he need this?

Chersfrozenface · 30/03/2023 09:45

Mommymoments · 30/03/2023 09:22

I emailed my local td last night re Rory's woman hating tweets & about the rise & power of trans groups oppressing women.
He replied this morning looking for my postal address why would he need this?

If I contact my Senedd member or MP I have to give my postal address so they know I'm a constituent. I don't know whether the same requirement applies in Ireland.

ChateauMargaux · 30/03/2023 14:45

When will those in power look around the table when these topics come up for discussion and see that their discussion cannot represent the opinions of the people unless it fairly and equally represents the people.

Genesis1v27 · 30/03/2023 16:58

Leo Varadkar 'has called for a public “discussion and debate” about transgender rights, given the “genuine questions people are asking”.' Also concedes transgender people pose just as much a threat to others as does any other group in society.

Taoiseach calls for ‘respectful’ debate on trans issues

nilsmousehammer · 30/03/2023 17:01

ArabellaScott · 30/03/2023 08:07

I don't see how anyone can be 'educated' to agree with ideas that are absurd. One can be forced to comply - not the same thing.

If the whole 'if you disagree with me you just haven't listened to me enough yet' thing is never however used to request that activists listen more carefully to women's raised needs, issues and problems with male people in female only spaces. The 'rights' being sought are to trump other people's rights.

miri1985 · 30/03/2023 17:45

Genesis1v27 · 30/03/2023 16:58

Leo Varadkar 'has called for a public “discussion and debate” about transgender rights, given the “genuine questions people are asking”.' Also concedes transgender people pose just as much a threat to others as does any other group in society.

Taoiseach calls for ‘respectful’ debate on trans issues

Talking out of both sides of his mouth as always.

"Mr Varadkar said: “I really hate that idea of them being targeted as people who are a threat to children or a threat to others. They are no more a threat to others than any other group in society and I really hope people will avoid straying into that space”."

So why last week was he of the opinion that BK shouldn't be in a womens prison. If BK was a woman no one would be asking whether the right place was a womens prison.

Men are seen all the time as a threat to children or women. If a woman is walking behind me at night I'm not scared, if I see a woman without children in a park I don't think shes up to something.

They messed up with the GRA, there are no safeguards in it. Women were dismissed as hysterical for suggesting anything of the sort at the time of its drafting. They had a full committee recommend a sensible law as we were required by the ECHR after the Foy decision and they threw it out and went with what the activists wanted without any proper debate and this is the mess they've made.

ArabellaScott · 30/03/2023 19:44

Chersfrozenface · 30/03/2023 09:45

If I contact my Senedd member or MP I have to give my postal address so they know I'm a constituent. I don't know whether the same requirement applies in Ireland.

Yes, if it's the same as it is in Scotland you can just give your postcode if you don't want to give your full address- although comms between representative and constituents should be confidential and there should be no reason to be concerned about sharing addresses.

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TheBiologyStupid · 30/03/2023 19:54

nilsmousehammer · 30/03/2023 17:01

If the whole 'if you disagree with me you just haven't listened to me enough yet' thing is never however used to request that activists listen more carefully to women's raised needs, issues and problems with male people in female only spaces. The 'rights' being sought are to trump other people's rights.

Absolutely, as JKR made clear in the final episode of The Witch Trials podcast.

IcakethereforeIam · 30/03/2023 20:24

If anyone says 'more light, less heat', go ballistic. They'll get plenty of both.

ArabellaScott · 30/03/2023 20:26

IcakethereforeIam · 30/03/2023 20:24

If anyone says 'more light, less heat', go ballistic. They'll get plenty of both.

I'd love that on a Tshirt. 😂

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TheBiologyStupid · 31/03/2023 00:05

Genesis1v27 · 30/03/2023 16:58

Leo Varadkar 'has called for a public “discussion and debate” about transgender rights, given the “genuine questions people are asking”.' Also concedes transgender people pose just as much a threat to others as does any other group in society.

Taoiseach calls for ‘respectful’ debate on trans issues

The headline: Varadkar says he ‘really hates trans people being targeted as a threat to others’

What TRAs read: Varadkar says he ‘really hates trans people being targeted as a threat to others

Mommymoments · 31/03/2023 11:26

[email protected] for anyone who wants to complain about their treasured presenter Mr Panti Bliss & his tweets calling for physical violence towards woman. This womanhating womanphobic man needs to be removed ASAP

nilsmousehammer · 31/03/2023 11:31

TheBiologyStupid · 31/03/2023 00:05

The headline: Varadkar says he ‘really hates trans people being targeted as a threat to others’

What TRAs read: Varadkar says he ‘really hates trans people being targeted as a threat to others

Not being twelve I don't 'hate' anything, but I am beyond all patience with women being targeted and getting their skills broken and liquid thrown at them with plans to make it acid on the grounds that saying 'we have rights in law' is a threat to some fantastically misogynist men.

If you don't want people to get cross with you, stop behaving like insane thugs and committing atrocities.

nilsmousehammer · 31/03/2023 11:32

Skulls. Skulls broken. That woman could have died.

Emotionalsupportviper · 31/03/2023 12:29

nilsmousehammer · 31/03/2023 11:32

Skulls. Skulls broken. That woman could have died.

It was a vicious attack mouse.

Horrible and hate-fuelled.

It is bliddy awful that women have to be beaten and assaulted before anyone even starts to notice that they have a valid argument.

That poor woman will be in terrible pain- probably lifelong - and she will have suffered horrific shock. Male violence is terrifying.

Mommymoments · 31/03/2023 13:47

Panti has just tweeted trans people are under attack & it's scary... Can he for one second imagine what it's like for biological women. What an absolute hypocrite.

nilsmousehammer · 31/03/2023 13:50

Broken hand, broken foot, broken skull, no that was all women from trans focused activists.

Mommymoments · 31/03/2023 13:58

Yep @nilsmousehammer & there's Panti tweeting this afternoon that trans groups are under attack & it's getting very scary.. Absolutely dick head.

SealHouse · 31/03/2023 14:25

I had put this in a new thread but this one seems better for Ireland related stuff...

Dublin Let Women Speak event scheduled for 15th April is now postponed due to safety concerns.

Disappointing, but not surprising, given the threats issued by panti piss and the TRA mob. Gardai will already be stretched because of Biden's visit so probably can't guarantee Kellie-Jay's safety given what happened in NZ.

https://twitter.com/StandingforXX/status/1641548392009551874?t=3hLRwvE-rwT2myuuog3H_g&s=08

https://twitter.com/StandingforXX/status/1641548392009551874?s=08&t=3hLRwvE-rwT2myuuog3H_g

UtopiaPlanitia · 31/03/2023 14:49

Mommymoments · 31/03/2023 13:47

Panti has just tweeted trans people are under attack & it's scary... Can he for one second imagine what it's like for biological women. What an absolute hypocrite.

It’s very obvious that Rory doesn’t respect women, I mean look what he does for a living - he portrays sexist stereotypes of women for money 🤷‍♀️