TikToker who exposed Jeffrey Marsh hounded bullied

[DerekFaker]

Meet the new progressiveism. A muslim woman being hounded and bullied for criticising a white man.

This is disgusting. I hope she and her family are going to be ok.

"Yea, I stand by it. She has 7M people following her. With that comes responsibility. There is a lot of transphobic hatred she has also managed to whip up - her comment section is horrific."

Please point out where she has been transphobic?

Or, are you going to accuse her of being again responsible for people who really have written transphobic (and not just by some loose definition of the term) comments AS WELL AS it being her fault for being threatened by people who simply have no understanding of tolerance and have been supported by people who tell them that their actions are understandable and even brave?

I didnt say she had been transphobic - I said her comment sections are.

There is a lot of transphobic hatred she has also managed to whip up - her comment section is horrific.

@Seasonofthewitch83

There's no such thing as transphobia.

Ok I'll be honest and say I've never heard of this man.. I've just found the account on TikTok - smashing teeth but wtaf 🤷🏼‍♀️ the world has gone mad!!

Oh. That is a bit of a pivot then.

She doesn't actually 'deserve' the threats for pointing out that an adult male has been positioning themself as a 'family' substitute for some time now and their patreon was open to under 18s and had a video discussing sex with that male's husband.

Did you watch that video even? Because I did. It discussed how 'uncomfortable' Marsh was with sex with Marsh's husband at first, but then Marsh learned to 'relax' and enjoy, it if I remember correctly. Available to children.

Yet, you somehow have worded your posts for that to be her responsibility.

So, please point out the transphobic comments that she is responsible for?

So, Shumirun is responsible for any resprehensible behaviour? Doesn't matter if it's by people attacking her or defending her, it's all her fault!

Apparently some tra has set up a Change petition, supporting Jeffrey and attacking Shumirun. I expect that's her fault as well. It might get taken down, probably her fault.

Is it though? Or is it 'groomerphobic'?

Why are trans people not calling this guy out?

Answers on a postcard...you'll get deleted if you reply here.

What can we do to help & support Shumirun? She is the victim here.

Perhaps because if a trans person called Marsh out, or called out the threats, they too would be responsible for the threatening behaviour that would come their way if we take some people's approach to it.

Much though we might dislike the police advice to her to take down her videos, they will be focusing on harm prevention and that is an obvious step. His are presumably hosted from the US, and UK police forces have no jurisdiction over internet content there.

It's appalling that she should have to, but it's sensible advice from the police. Who are the non-captured big name comedians? I can only think of Ricky Gervais in the UK.

How did we get to this point where a young family have actually had people
Going to their home, damaging their property and making such threats?
Twitter and TikTok are fetid arenas a- the TRAs are saying that Trans people
Are at risk of harm yet here you have the possibility that people (probably men) have carried their threats much further than simply harassing women on line.
Frankly, this is terrifying for her, but I bet if you met the little dickheads in a vape shop you'd be embarrassed for them.

Did you watch that video even? Because I did. It discussed how 'uncomfortable' Marsh was with sex with Marsh's husband at first, but then Marsh learned to 'relax' and enjoy, it if I remember correctly. Available to children.

Dear God. A middle-aged man encouraging children to contact him off grid, and not speak to their parents is also telling them how uncomfortable sex is unless they persevere.

Shumirun must protect herself from men who are terrified of the exposure she has instigated. I will contribute financially to help her do that.

But it was just a question of time.

Schools have sent letters out to all their parents warning them to keep their children away from Jefffrey Marsh videos. Are they being threatened? Are the head teachers being threatened?

Are the police telling the schools to stop writing to their parents?

Or are they only going to tell the schools to stop protecting their children, once the threats roll in ???

They have jurisdiction over the people who have vandalised her car and stalked her in order to find out which school her children go to and what time they leave in the
morning.

Marsh is obviously in damage limitation mode, given all the deleted videos and school warnings to parents about him. The Spotlight is glaring, which might curtail his activities. At least the public ones.

But those who are threatening her family and vandalising her property still need to be brought to justice.

I just read through the Reduxx article.

It is SO depressing. Woman says something critical and specific about the obviously problematic behaviour of a NB man who is making loads of money out of this stuff. TRAs claim it’s literal violence and trans people will die as a result. Even more extreme TRAs vandalise woman’s car and threaten her children in sinister ways.

And we also get TRAs on the thread pretending not to understand, trying to gaslight readers into believing the evidence doesn’t exist and then outright victim blaming.

Why does anyone believes this movement is defined by ‘kindness’?

The gaslighting where TRAs pretend that any criticism of the behaviour of a trans or NB person is automatically ‘transphobic’ is so problematic.

Unless you believe that encouraging vulnerable children to separate themselves from their families and inviting them to talk more privately with you online is somehow an intrinsic aspect of being trans, then I don’t see how complaining about that kid of behaviour - whoever is doing it - could be transphobic.

In the same way that prosecuting a trans person for tax evasion is not transphobic. It’s just an example where someone who happens to be trans has done something wrong. There’s no connection between being trans and tax evasion.

In fact, I actually think it should be considered transphobic to not criticise this behaviour. Surely viewing this kind of creepy, grooming like behaviour as somehow part of being trans is the transphobic position. Criticising the dodgy behaviour is not transphobic in the least.

While I cannot find the Patreon video, this is overlapping on some of the topic.

I suggest that any male who is releasing video's such as this, they are missing one fucking big elephant in the room..... I don't think I need to point it out, but here goes. Firstly, that the sex is fully consensual and not abusive in any way.... oh... yeah... that isn't mentioned at all. There is a reason that random people untrained in dealing with such issues with children should not be making these videos.

twitter.com/OliLondonTV/status/1633486320633884677?s=20

Here is part of the Patreon video.

twitter.com/OliLondonTV/status/1632178422804824066?s=20

I want to point out that the patreon video was one that Shumirun posted.

As to what we can do for her, I don't know. Keep fighting to expose the behaviour that she so bravely pointed out?

You are literally blaming this woman for "sticking her foot in it and bringing shit to her doorstep."

No. She offered an opinion, and was terrorised by TRAs threatening her and her children's lives and wellbeing.

I also want to point out, that while this video may well be well intentioned, telling people who you have no idea about their sexual situation that getting over their lack of ability to relax in sex is a 'process' without suggesting seeking some profession therapy for overcoming the trauma etc. is rather problematic.

Can you imagine a child in an abusive relationship hearing this ? Because there is no context around it all, just this video. On tik tok.

I didnt say it was deserved, just pointing out the issues with the internet and having a following, especially a monetised one.

But it's not "issues with having a following." The issue is that she said something a man didn't want said, and she and her family have been viciously attacked for it.

She is allowed to have a social media following, to be famous, to have fans etc. She's allowed to give her thoughts and commentary on others. Or do you think women should just shut up in case men don't like what we say? Maybe not go after dark in case men don't like that either?

What you're doing is the very definition of victim blaming. Your denial of that is either down to stupidity or attempts at gaslighting.

Either way, I'm offended by the 'witch' in your name. Clearly you're more on the side of the witchhunters.

Sorry, you can try to twist it however you wish.

The outcome is that you have placed the responsibility for the threats from some people who simply cannot control their own violence onto her shoulders. I expect you believe that she should have kept silent and this is just one tactic to blame her.

Your denial that you are doing it doesn't make it true that you are not doing it.

I didnt say she had been transphobic - I said her comment sections are.

I’d be interested to know your definition of transphobia and why you think Shimirun should not raise a serious safeguarding issue because some people might react and say something you disagree with?

Meanwhile young Jeffery is looking ever more terrifying and has made a video where he apparently tells a ‘joke’:

Q ”What do taxidermists do for work?”

A “Stuff…”.

Then he makes ‘I’m keeping an eye on you’ gestures, smiles maniacally and makes odd ‘stuffing’ hand gestures and wheels off out of frame.

I’m not sure who this is aimed at or what message he is trying to send but given the current situation, it’s not a good look.

Btw I saw Jefferys original videos and the message was absolutely aimed at kids, encouraging them to ditch their parents and contact him on Patreon for ‘private chats’. Kids.