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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

TikToker who exposed Jeffrey Marsh hounded bullied

316 replies

DerekFaker · 13/03/2023 07:13

Meet the new progressiveism. A muslim woman being hounded and bullied for criticising a white man.

This is disgusting. I hope she and her family are going to be ok.

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Helleofabore · 13/03/2023 10:41

Seasonofthewitch83 · 13/03/2023 10:36

No, I absolutely can believe she has been victim of abuse because of her video.

I was under the impression that the rumours around Jeffrey Marsh had been debunked.

Have you ever watched Jeffrey Marsh’s videos? The many that discuss creating ‘families’ and inviting messages?

And no, I doubt the video of Marsh discussing his sex life was ‘faked’.

But please do keep posting ‘it’s fake’ in response to video content that is inconveniently showing poor safeguarding.

Datun · 13/03/2023 10:41

Seasonofthewitch83 · 13/03/2023 10:36

No, I absolutely can believe she has been victim of abuse because of her video.

I was under the impression that the rumours around Jeffrey Marsh had been debunked.

What rumours? She did a compilation of his own videos, his own words. Where he just went on and on, disturbingly.

Oh, you mean rumours he started himself.

Seasonofthewitch83 · 13/03/2023 10:43

The information I have seen was that Fox News clipped lots of his videos together that start with 'Hey Kids' and then patched it with another video he did where he was discussing his patreon which is for over 18s. I cannot seem to find any evidence that he has specifically told under age children to access his website.

Datun · 13/03/2023 10:43

And no, I doubt the video of Marsh discussing his sex life was ‘faked’

Oh, I missed this 'rumour' 🙄

Datun · 13/03/2023 10:46

Seasonofthewitch83 · 13/03/2023 10:43

The information I have seen was that Fox News clipped lots of his videos together that start with 'Hey Kids' and then patched it with another video he did where he was discussing his patreon which is for over 18s. I cannot seem to find any evidence that he has specifically told under age children to access his website.

This is (yes another) example of denial and minimisation. They're everywhere.

Righthandcider · 13/03/2023 10:46

Seasonofthewitch83 · 13/03/2023 10:05

Didn't this all get proven to be fake news spread by the Christian conservatives in the US?

And then there's this, from Jeffrey's very own Facebook page:

No matter who you are and no matter how old you are, you deserve queer love! My partner, Jeff!, is an introvert and isn’t a social media sensation like me, but we both wanted you to see happy healthy and loving queer adults. TELL ME ABOUT YOUR QUEER DREAM AND/OR REAL FAMILY PLEASE💛💛💛🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️

Seasonofthewitch83 · 13/03/2023 10:51

Is it misinformation though?

Happy to be provided with some facts rather than breadcrumbed truths and rumors.

Helleofabore · 13/03/2023 10:51

Seasonofthewitch83 · 13/03/2023 10:43

The information I have seen was that Fox News clipped lots of his videos together that start with 'Hey Kids' and then patched it with another video he did where he was discussing his patreon which is for over 18s. I cannot seem to find any evidence that he has specifically told under age children to access his website.

Shumirun did the compilation. She was the one who posted it.

And at the time that video discussing Marsh’s sex life was posted, the Patreon was open to under 18. There are plenty of tweets out there notifying just when Marsh made the Patreon over 18, and moved Marsh’s videos out of Marsh’s general tiktok feed.

I would suggest you do some wider research outside what seems to be your usual information feed…

ArabellaScott · 13/03/2023 10:53

Datun · 13/03/2023 10:17

Another woman to whom I would donate if she needed it to combat this. I'm thinking cctv etc. Would a dash cam capture the car vandalism?

And yes, it's terrorism.

It is terrorism. I wonder if Prevent have trans rights activists on their radar.

FrostyFifi · 13/03/2023 10:56

The comments in that Reduxx article! Like I said, the racism and Islamophobia isn't far beneath the surface at all. Step out of line and you'll get it full force.

Righthandcider · 13/03/2023 11:00

Seasonofthewitch83 · 13/03/2023 10:51

Is it misinformation though?

Happy to be provided with some facts rather than breadcrumbed truths and rumors.

Could you explain the distinction between a 'fact' and a 'truth' please @Seasonofthewitch83 ?

Helleofabore · 13/03/2023 11:01

Seasonofthewitch83 · 13/03/2023 10:51

Is it misinformation though?

Happy to be provided with some facts rather than breadcrumbed truths and rumors.

Why don’t you do your own research? Just like the rest of us do.

There will be plenty of ‘reaction’ videos out there with Marsh’s videos on them, if you cannot access them. Last I heard they were all still on Marsh’s youtube, but they may have been made private now. But the reaction videos embed video footage that doesn’t disappear.

But then again, if someone is fully supportive of children going ‘no contact’ with their parents then they probably will not recognise the grooming tactics that stand out very clearly to others.

Seasonofthewitch83 · 13/03/2023 11:04

Helleofabore · 13/03/2023 11:01

Why don’t you do your own research? Just like the rest of us do.

There will be plenty of ‘reaction’ videos out there with Marsh’s videos on them, if you cannot access them. Last I heard they were all still on Marsh’s youtube, but they may have been made private now. But the reaction videos embed video footage that doesn’t disappear.

But then again, if someone is fully supportive of children going ‘no contact’ with their parents then they probably will not recognise the grooming tactics that stand out very clearly to others.

I have, and everyone here is telling me its wrong without explaining why.

The information I have seen online is reactionary at best and homophobic at worst. Its not hard to spread misinformation via social media.

OnlyTheWeedsGrow · 13/03/2023 11:09

Watch Marsh’s own videos, make up your own mind.
Or read some of the previous threads - going back a long time.
I can’t believe anyone would defend the content and the creator if they have seen the actual videos Marsh made, unless they have similar worrying views on safeguarding.

DerekFaker · 13/03/2023 11:15

Seasonofthewitch83 · 13/03/2023 11:04

I have, and everyone here is telling me its wrong without explaining why.

The information I have seen online is reactionary at best and homophobic at worst. Its not hard to spread misinformation via social media.

I can tell where you have been getting your information based on your use of the buzzword 'reactionary'.

Conservatives or whatever you want to call the boogeyman aren't the only ones who clip videos to manipulate people.

Like others have said, broaden your search and/or go straight to the source.

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ArabellaScott · 13/03/2023 11:22

'being the internet mom'

'if you've been rejected by everybody you can be in my family. I want you over here'

ArabellaScott · 13/03/2023 11:23

That's on Marsh's own youtube, where you can watch all of they's videos.

Plasmodesmata · 13/03/2023 11:26

Although this thread isn't really about they's videos, is it? It's about the threats to Shumirun and to her children.

JemimaTiggywinkles · 13/03/2023 11:29

Plasmodesmata · 13/03/2023 11:26

Although this thread isn't really about they's videos, is it? It's about the threats to Shumirun and to her children.

This is a good point. It doesn't really matter if Shumirun's criticisms were justified or not. Threatening people, and their children, is unacceptable (likely criminal) and vandalism is definitely illegal.

Seasonofthewitch83 · 13/03/2023 11:31

JemimaTiggywinkles · 13/03/2023 11:29

This is a good point. It doesn't really matter if Shumirun's criticisms were justified or not. Threatening people, and their children, is unacceptable (likely criminal) and vandalism is definitely illegal.

Agreed!

ArabellaScott · 13/03/2023 11:33

It's funny, I'd presumed Jeffrey would have a background in psychotherapy, psychology, something like that. They present theyself as if they is a therapist. But no:

'Marsh attended college at the University of the Arts in Philadelphia and earned a BFA in Musical Theater, later moving to New York City to pursue a career in cabaret performance[1] before becoming an internet celebrity[2] and leader in the LGBTIQ community.[3]'

This would explain the egregious ignorance of boundaries, safeguarding and appropriate behaviour wrt 'counselling' strangers on the internet.

They present as a 'coach', which fair enough requires no qualifications as it's a pretty meaningless term.

www.jeffreymarsh.com/coaching

'MEET THE COACH:

Jeffrey has studied and taught Zen for over twenty years. Their rigorous training while living as a monk at a Buddhist Monastery in California (as chronicled in ‘How To Be You’) resulted in Jeffrey receiving the status of Precepted Facilitator in the Soto Zen tradition of Buddhism. The rank of Precepted Facilitator is an elite category and marks a Zen practitioner trained to assist anyone toward spiritual growth.'

The use of a 'Buddhist' identity as some kind of qualification to coach is interesting.

The 'rank' of precepted facilitator is, as far as I know, also meaningless. Zen practitioners generally give their lineage, school, affiliations when discussing these type of things, and certainly if presenting themselves as teachers. Jeffrey doesn't.

It would be interesting to see which school of Soto Zen they is with, and what that school think about Jeffrey being a 'Facilitator' as an 'elite category'.

('Precepted' I can only surmise means he's taken his precept vows. This means you've gone through a sort of commitment ceremony where you promise to follow the zen path. It's generally a pretty early step on the path, certainly doesn't qualify anyone to teach according to most reputable schools.)

www.sfzc.org/offerings/establishing-practice/sixteen-bodhisattva-precepts

There's a list of teachers there, which gives a good idea of how they usually present their qualifications/experience. See how they list schools, teachers, history, affiliations?

ArabellaScott · 13/03/2023 11:36

Plasmodesmata · 13/03/2023 11:26

Although this thread isn't really about they's videos, is it? It's about the threats to Shumirun and to her children.

Sorry, yes, I've gone down a rabbithole.

Of course threats to a woman and her children for raising concerns about an internet 'coach' is the main focus of this thread.

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