TikToker who exposed Jeffrey Marsh hounded bullied

[DerekFaker]

Meet the new progressiveism. A muslim woman being hounded and bullied for criticising a white man.

This is disgusting. I hope she and her family are going to be ok.

How do you know that? Do you know what he says privately, as he's asked children to contact him off grid? Do you have access to that?

She did not paint a false narrative.

and Marsh is not a harmless weirdo? I don’t know whether you’re calling Marsh that is transphobic or just plain unaware of behaviour that seeks to lower sexual boundaries of children.

Jeffrey Marsh is cringe but she selectively edited his/their statements to paint a false narrative. He's just a harmless weirdo.

Wow, this seems like an actual falsifiable argument! Instead of vague accusations

Could you show your evidence of this 'selective editing to create a false narrative' please?

As for whether Marsh is harmless... time will tell, (as will dogs and small children, no doubt.) Meanwhile, it doesn't sound like you are a mother or anyone else who has a duty of protection and care towards children, so thankfully your opinion is mostly harmless.

Your - autocorrect is determined today

Also, and you probably don't know this, but telling children to go no contact with their parents, isolating them from their care givers, and talking to them in private, is a huge safeguarding breach.

even if that's not the motive. It's desensitising children to a dangerous situation.

OMG, this has Jefferey Marsha taxidermist clip in ...It's horrifying!

OH MY GOD HOW IS IT EVEN POSSIBLE TO BE THAT LEVEL OF CREEPY. Some of these guys should be studied by horror film directors- if I was in a dark corridor with Marsh at one end and the Babadook at the other I'd run straight towards the Babadook.

Why do people who are not horror connoisseurs watch his stuff though? Why does he have fans who harass and threaten people on his behalf? OK - those fans are probably just like him, but there must be some relatively normal people who watch him or even pay for his Patreon. How are there any people who aren't seeing the red flags jumping up and down and screaming?

(MN before you delete me just watch the clip. It's fair and reasonable comment. twitter.com/ilovepreserves/status/1635156023127445505?s=19)

”Could you show your evidence of this 'selective editing to create a false narrative' please?”

I would like to see this false narrative evidence too.

Because either that poster is another who has jumped on a thread without seeing the number of videos that we have and that have seemed to now be deleted, or they cannot recognise safeguarding issues at all.

Let’s see how this false narrative is shown by elon

Is this false narrative part of your special science? Still waiting.

I reckon their dog ate that just as they were about to show us!

Waiting for @ElonsMusks evidence is the 21st Century equivalent of Waiting for Godot.

I'm glad that petition was taken down and some people are genuinely trying to show their support for Shumirun with that hashtag. I hope my low expectations of the police are proven wrong and charges are actually brought against the biggest players involved - not just for the physical violence but the incitement to violence, too.

I have to say I was deeply disgusted by the some of the comments on the, I suppose, GC side on Twitter. There was a lot of Islamophobic crap, comments like "I hope they annihilate each other", "I'm so happy" with popcorn-eating GIFs, and even referring to Shumirun as a grifter (I don't believe for one second that person would have posted that if Shumirun was a white atheist/Christian). I'm not going to post links to that stuff because there was very little (if any) opposition to it and made my blood boil. If you're keen to see for yourself I'm sure you can find those threads rather easily, unfortunately.

I don't care what anyone's beliefs, or lack thereof, are (and I don't think she mentioned them anyway), this woman and her family have been horrifically targeted. No one should be taking joy from that.

”There was a lot of Islamophobic crap, comments like "I hope they annihilate each other", "I'm so happy" with popcorn-eating GIFs, and even referring to Shumirun as a grifter”

Feminists were tweeting those things?

Or people who similarly believe that sex is immutable for their own motivations that don’t really reflect any feminist thought at all?

I did always wonder how the idea of women became political and here we have it.
Rando talks shite on twitter AND they believes sex matters, so it is safe to assume "they are on the gender critical side".
Oh well all those who believe in not eating animals but who have slightly dodgy attitudes must be on the Hitler side.
@MisogynyNonConforming - I'm guessing that would be an appropriate assumption?
Sounds like a world where things need to sound nice, they don't need to make sense.

I have to say I was deeply disgusted by the some of the comments on the, I suppose, GC side on Twitter.

I'm fairly confident in saying that every last GC person on these threads is here because they care about the safety of women and children. Shumirun is a woman, with children.

Nobody here has anything in common with those despicable people as you probably know very well.

I have to say I was deeply disgusted by the some of the comments on the, I suppose, GC side on Twitter.

I don't know anyone "on the GC side" who would post anything like that and I doubt that any posters here do, either.

As I stated in my post, you can find the sort of threads rather easily on Twitter to confirm for yourself who it was that was saying those types of things (and what other posts those accounts normally make). Or you can just deny that it happened without bothering to check.

I did not go looking for hate-filled rhetoric, I went looking for like-minded people that were posting #IStandWithShumirunNessa. There was the usual hostility and nastiness from some on the TWAW-side that I reported/blocked as appropriate (no surprise there). What did make for a surprise, which is why I found it noteworthy enough to post about, were some of the responses from those I had expected to offer solidarity/support to Shumirun.

I can't say that I do "know very well" @Righthandcider that "Nobody here has anything in common with those despicable people", especially given that the comments following my post seem to imply that what I've said must be unfounded/inaccurate instead of criticising the Islamophobic rhetoric aimed at Shumirun.

I also don't see why, in a thread about the abuse and threats Shumirun has received, I should not mention insults directed at her in relation to her video exposing JM's grooming just because they were not from the TWAW side.

@Helleofabore I do not know whether any of those women would describe themselves as feminists and did not use that term but used the phrase "GC side" because that was the type of content I saw on their TL.

@PatatiPatatras I don't fully understand your comment. If someone posts content that states or implies they believe sex is immutable, in what way are they not "on the gender critical side"? Your sentence about being "on the Hitler side" is particularly confusing. It seems like your saying me mentioning the Islamophobic responses Shumirun received is equivalent to me saying everyone GC is Islamophobic - given that I am GC and not Islamophobic (or prejudiced towards any other group for that matter) that is preposterous. I ask that you re-read my post because you will see no such sweeping and offensive generalisation.

Again I do not see why I, or others, should not be allowed to mention the Islamophobic responses Shumirun received following her highlighting JM's grooming, on a thread that is about the threats and abuse she received following her highlighting JM's grooming.

I don't disagree there. But let's be honest, this tik toker is very disingenuous.

That said, I don't let my kids anywhere near tik tok or other social media, and my kids know they can come to me with anything.

I've posted peer reviewed journals on mumsnet before only to be told by GC cultists that it "doesn't count" or something.

Arguments on here tend to be better substantiated than that. It’s a pity you can’t recall the substance of the discussion you had - it might have helped you deepen your understanding of the issues!

Just so you are aware, peer reviewed journals are not intended to be taken as gospel. Peer reviewed papers publish their methodology precisely so that it can be critically evaluated. Even if you aren’t qualified to evaluate the methodology or evidence in a study- and it’s ok, most people aren’t, and many people shouldn’t try! - you should still be aware that others do have the knowledge to do so, especially on here, and you can’t just drop a study that you believe supports your position and expect people not to read it and analyse it and, if need be, challenge it. HTH! 😇

This point is, you said he's harmless. He's not.

*The point

It is not unknown for peer-reviewed journal articles - a couple by Jack Turban come to mind - to be deeply flawed. Some authors and reviewers appear to be in thrall to ideology rather than science. Sci Am has made a laughing stock of itself by publishing deeply unscientific pieces on the sex binary, too. Sadly, the days when we could rely on articles published by erstwhile reliable titles are behind us, at least for now.

Oops, meant to include a link: jessesingal.substack.com/p/how-science-based-medicine-botched

MisogynyNonConforming

If someone posts content that states or implies they believe sex is immutable, in what way are they not "on the gender critical side"?

Believing sex is immutable does not equal being ‘gender critical’. They simply believe that sex is immutable and may share some other intersecting views.

I believe the term was initially coined for feminists or a little more loosely people who reject gender because it is another form of oppression and collectively fight women’s oppression. People may also believe sex is immutable because of religion, science and other reasons. However, they may not share many other beliefs feminism may have. Therefore should not be classed the same way as feminists under that label.

Too many people detach the term from feminism. Some people do it to shame feminists for the behaviour of others just because those others also believe sex is immutable.

it is why many feminists reject that label as well as terf.

That ^^

There is also an absolute fetish on the part of gender ideologists for labels and boxes, particularly ones that enable 'them' and 'us' thinking. Psychologically it's pretty much splitting - everyone is either All Good And On My Side or Totally Evil and the slightest fault can stuff you and everything you've ever said or done into the Totally Evil side of perceiving the world.

There is incoherence in the whole 'don't coerceively assign labels that do not fit the person's often complex inner selves' - in that this means 'you may not dare to define a special person but they are free to assume and label (which largely means name call and dehumanise) you'.

And also a deep incapacity to cope with people who resist categories. Although really it's a deep incapacity to cope with people who are not compliant enablers.