Caba Baba Rave - take your baby to watch nearly naked men in fetish gear

[Clymene]

Journalist Dominique Samuels has posted video of one of their events: https://twitter.com/dominiquetaegon/status/1630948003962912768?s=61&t=gd6tu0Iz6JpyKXGLWMLGjg

Which features men gyrating and hanging from the ceiling surrounded by a crowd of clueless women and their babies.

I would say it's NSFW but it's apparently safe for babies so have a watch.

Here's a reddux article:

https://reduxx.info/uk-sold-out-rave-for-babies-featuring-drag-queens-prompts-outrage/

Since the video went viral, the company has taken down its website and Facebook and made their Instagram private. I wonder why?

"And have The Very Cool Mummies ever thought about what the Last Stop at End of the Tracks might look like?"

shrug

Scout knot tying and Shibari (Japanese Rope Bondage) defo do not need to be combined into a single event!

It'll probably be a badge in brownies before too long.

Exactly.
Why couldn't these very cool mummies take their babies along to the local fetish night next time? Or dads can take them along to a strip show? Let's get the whole family involved.
The babies obviously wouldn't be aware of what's going on so no harm done, it's just people dancing around in fun costumes, yeah?

I was talking to DH about this. After he saw the photo of the thong chap doing the reverse splits, he said it's the type of thing you saw in Ibiza clubs in the '90s, particularly somewhere like Manumission.

I thought that was a rather interesting observation.

Sorry that was a quote from the article that someone else linked when a woman is talking about taking her baby to the cinema.

I thought it was interesting that she made the point that older babies are very aware of what's going on around them.

I'm truly amazed that anyone is coming here to attempt to deflect criticism from this kind of event. There's no excuse for exposing a baby to this, none.

If they want to start a drag club for new mums then fine, have an on-site crèche and rename it Caba Mama Rave. But they won’t do that.

I was thinking the exact same thing.

Why isn't there a business plan marketed to new mums to come and be adult for an hour, one drink included, and, look, here is a licensed child care facility, where are you can drop them off before you come in.

Not make the entire thing conditional on bringing your baby!

it's so blatant.

Not just deflect, actually insult people.

You couldn't make it up!

Genuine question.
Is there ANY type of event that mums take babies to and consume alcohol at?
Not had kids myself, and I love a drink much more than is good for me, but I can't imagine being in charge of a toddler and drinking. I can see a toddler driving parents to drink, but I can't imagine planning to go out with a toddler knowing I was gonna have a couple of glasses of wine.

As well as imparing judgement alcohol reduces inhibitions. Which is convenient if people feel uneasy about something and you want them to engage in it. I just see this whole thing as grooming with alcohol on hand to reduce any reservations about the whole idea. It takes only one unit of alcohol to change a person's behaviour.

No, definitely not. I've never heard of an event for parents to bring babies or toddlers where alcohol is any part of it. Or partial nudity, for that matter.

But no. Occasionally, either DH or I would have had a drink at a family event of some kind at that stage, but the other definitely would not in that case.

This is disgusting and all about brainwashing very young children

Same @StephanieSuperpowers. Might have a drink at a BBQ or family event that we were at as a family, but if I did, OH didn’t and vice versa. If it was just me and the baby/toddler then no because I’d be driving anyway. I did go to places by bus and meet up with other mums/go to baby and toddler groups etc but alcohol never featured at any of those events.

I find it very hard to imagine that any legitimate performer in that area would choose to perform in that environment to that type of audience...

When your mind is so open your brain falls out.

It’s the sheer stupidity of a parent volunteering their child up to have their boundaries violated now and in the future. It’s normalising the inclusion of children in an adult domain. Groomers paradise.

No, no!

It is progressive!

I mean this is fucking cutting edge progressive!

The instagram influencers say so!

Nothing sexual at all!

Nothing sexual at all, we have been assured!

Although a crêche for the kids while the mums are entertained would be better, I don't think I'd have liked to let my children out of my sight with these characters. That said, I'm obviously not their target audience.

As an aside could I ask that anyone, who hasn't already, considers following the link below to sign the Government petition to strengthen the Equality Act and help keep single sex spaces as single sex.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4722618-petition-to-update-the-equality-act-thread-2?page=30

And also consider sharing it.

I was absolutely terrified of Punks, the make up and coloured hair had me screaming, I have vivid memories being in the pushchair at the metro station and absolutely screaming the place down when a group of punks walked towards me. A completely agree babies understand.

Yep, if you see anything sexual about a performance where almost naked people writhe around in a manner that only coincidentally resembles a sexual performance, who's the real pervert?

I say crack on. Because it is a great live demonstration of the type of dismissal by people who think that children should have their sexual boundaries lowered. It shows a great live demonstration of a person who cannot clearly recognise adult sexual behaviour as well.

Or maybe a great live demonstration of someone who recognises it all too well clearly and approves of it.

We went to Provincetown MA a lot over the years. Loads of drag shows - probably like this but better performed. gay and straight adults go for entertainment. The organisers and attendees would be shocked at the idea that this WASN'T boundary-pushing sexualised entertainment - it is kind of the point.

Once saw a man dressed in full head to toe fairy godmother costume at the door of the p-town library saying hello and otherwise not interacting with anyone. didn't much see the point but it certainly wasn't sexualised and no child would have thought anything other than "look a man dressed as Fairy Godmother". If a poster thinks that kind of drag is the same as the caberet/drag performances pictured upthread, then they are either too stupid to see the problem or they have been groomed not to see the problem or they are the problem.

It's people who believe they have excellent boundaries cos they are so aware of consent and risk that often have the crappest ones. I deffo saw a lot of this on the kink scene. There's a mind yr own business, anything goes as long as consent is involved ethos. That fucks about with yr instinctive senses of something being off.

I know of folk from this scene that thought nothing of taking their kids to poly picnic meet ups in the school hols. Arranged on Fetlife.

You can guarantee that the assumed ignorance/ innocence/ indifference of babies is doing a lot of heavy lifting in this babarave context. Part of believing that all meaning is derived subjectively. So near naked bodies etc aren't the problem. It's the cultural reading we have of it. Babies obviously know nothing about sex, therefore it cannot be sexual to them.

Basically it is people with a piss poor grasp of boundaries themselves believing they are super chill, open minded and progressive.

Guardian readers.

There's also the deliberate shaming of people. Even on this thread, insulting women for saying it's not appropriate.

To me, it's a tactic. It's designed to shut down speculation.

I bet they're wheeling out the same old "far-right trolls" are against this nonsense.

The parents should have social services involved.