Caba Baba Rave - take your baby to watch nearly naked men in fetish gear

[Clymene]

Journalist Dominique Samuels has posted video of one of their events: https://twitter.com/dominiquetaegon/status/1630948003962912768?s=61&t=gd6tu0Iz6JpyKXGLWMLGjg

Which features men gyrating and hanging from the ceiling surrounded by a crowd of clueless women and their babies.

I would say it's NSFW but it's apparently safe for babies so have a watch.

Here's a reddux article:

https://reduxx.info/uk-sold-out-rave-for-babies-featuring-drag-queens-prompts-outrage/

Since the video went viral, the company has taken down its website and Facebook and made their Instagram private. I wonder why?

@Helleofabore

The question must be always asked:

Who benefits from this?

The question must be always asked:

Exactly who benefits from this? Not just the direct beneficiaries.

Exactly. Cui bono?
Or, rather, cui boner?

Happy to be a complaining wanker when I see safeguarding issues. No problem with that at all.

I don't think it's the people complaining who are doing the wanking.

I wondered how come there was a thread on what you would do with your pet if there was ever an event such as complete collapse of society. Here we are 🙈…

Jesus who the hell goes to that kind of thing!

On the use of "wanker" as an insult. Aren't those trying to erode age boundaries around sex the same ones also trying to get books into schools about sexual explicit material including masturbation?
So they both want kids to learn how to wank as early as possible, and at the same time use the word wanker as an insult. A bit of inconsistent incoherent double standards going on there methinks.

Interesting what one of the mums said:

“I am a responsible parent so I would not allow my two-year-old son to watch a 15 film but my daughter is too young to take it in. She does not watch the films, she is either sleeping or eating.”
So she is talking about newborns. These babies aren't newborns though are they? See how happy this baby is!

But apparently, only 'wankers' complain while those adults with lowered sexual boundaries clap and encourage it to keep happening.

Calling us wankers was a bit of a giveaway!!

And not just of the slippy Freudian variety.

What kind of person would actually insult women for not taking their children to a show?? Any show, let alone an adult one.

If you're moved to actually insult women over it, one has to wonder why!

Honestly if you want to go to big London girl's nights out with pink drinks and partying with drag queens, maybe either 1. get a sitter, 2. wait until they're older, 3. don't have kids. Don't bring your baby! This idea that you shouldn't have to change your life just because you have a baby is crazy to me.

And comparing it to a mum and baby screening of Little Women, please.

I think I would probably just continue to point out that under France law, as per the achievement of a group of people who also had very lowered sexual boundaries and some who were the actual predators, there would be people who declared that a 13 year old having a sexual relationship with anyone was entirely appropriate.

It was after all within the law.

And parents allowed it.

And society applauded the men who took 13 year old 'lovers' (rape victims).

That any poster is on this thread declaring a sexual performance is a-ok because the parents were permissive of their children being there, and hey, it was NOT sexual in any case, is really clanging alarms.

The baby reaching out for her mum

there’s literally less than nothing for the kids in this

Crikey.

How the fuck have these men managed to convince women that they must be so desperate to watch men trussed up to the nines in fetish gear, that the only way to see it is to bring their baby to it?

When I was about two or three I distinctly remember going to some crappy little circus and being absolutely scared shitless by a clown. A very strong memory. Parents saying their babies are too young to understand are clueless.

Yes. Even as a baby, my child would have screamed being held by someone in costume. As a 18 month old they screamed at the person dressed as a mascot for a store opening. Hated Disney characters as a 6 year old when they saw adults dressed as them. Hated clowns from the start. And we took them to panto and they told us how much they hated it because there was a man dressed as a caricuture of a woman and acting very creepy.

I looked at that child and saw a very bewildered child who was seeking their mother.

@Helleofabore
Your child seems to have a great natural instinct for what's right and wrong.

I think there’s a bit of reverse purity spirals going on here. You condemn anyone for having an opinion that’s different from you with the usual far right, nazi-esque insult that when something on the very progressive left really tests your boundaries, you kind of have no choice but to accept it for risk of putting yourself in the same category you placed yourself in.

I wondered, for example, why when all this information came out about Tavistock or when Mermaids peado-apologist board member was identified more allies didn’t come out and say ‘this is awful, we condemn this behaviour’ and instead just downplayed and twisted themselves in knots to condone it.

The reality is lots of people may not like drag queens/ adult sex entertainment but aren’t trying to shut it down. Instead of rightly distancing the involving of children and separating out the issues, proponents for this lump them altogether which means opposition now will be angry with the whole thing - not just the damaging elements.

Drag relies on the fetishisation ( objectification/fixation) of extreme and often grotesque female stereotypes. Most often highly sexualised in nature and full of crudity and sexual innuendo.

The whole point of drag is to push the boundaries of what is considered acceptable. To 'queer' them.

@CountZacular well put, nuance is really one of the great casualties of the current era's public exchange.

@CountZacular ah mermaids with their map apologist trustee and their employee Darren Mews who thought his Twitter feed available to children who accessed the services of mermaids was the perfect place to put this (sorry for the censored image it's the only way i don't get deleted)

Wtaf nope

Yes I thought clowns were universally recognised as terrifying (to the point where actual clowns were struggling to get work not long ago). Suddenly children have to grotesque make up again. I didn’t even like people wearing the fake moustache/glasses as a kid.

What I don’t get is the point at which parents are no longer wondering if something is appropriate for their own child, I know people take babies to cinemas and festivals and maybe they have very chilled out babies, but babies cry, they need changing and feeding, they require massive amounts of paraphernalia carted around with them. A baby won’t focus on a storyline or enjoy extremely loud music. Babies like baby stuff. Parents don’t have to love it 24/7, so if they want to go and see a drag act then get a babysitter and go yourself. Why would you want a baby with you if you enjoy watching drag.

Let’s face it the babies are the last on the list of priorities. The Very Cool Mummies right to be performatively woke online is prioritised here. As is the venue’s who hold these events. The Very Cool Mummies also know they that without a baby to bring along they have no value to the performance, because in the TQ + world mothers = women = lowest of status. The drag act’s exhibitionism and is also prioritised, although “thigh length boots and thongs and sexualised and if you think it is YOUR’E THE PERVERT.”

You know who doesn’t get anything out of this? The babies. The babies who have 0 interest in twerking and rave. Who just want to play with toys and watch CBeebies. And its their name used in the title! If they want to start a drag club for new mums then fine, have an on-site crèche and rename it Caba Mama Rave. But they won’t do that.

Films I saw at mother and baby screenings

Black Panther
Avengers Infinity War
Ocean's 8
(I could have seen Tomb Raider but my local cinema decided to screen Peter Rabbit instead 🥱)

DD in her pram, facing me, usually asleep.

What I did not see

Grown ass men with their arse cheeks out prancing around the floor

Grown ass men in bondage gear and boots swinging from the fucking ceiling.

Here's a newsflash, when you have a baby, yes the activities you go to are generally baby focused. The idea being that you get out of the house, maybe do some activities you wouldn't do at home with your baby, or your babies get to play and explore in a safe environment while you get a hot drink and maybe a chat with mums in the same boat.

Here's another newsflash, it doesn't last forever, and before you know it you can go back out to your desperately missed stripper and drag shows, so a few months of wind the fecking bobbin up won't kill you.

Honestly, this selfish entitled "why should I miss out" attitude pisses me off. Just suck it up, and put your child ahead of your boredom, or your "look how cool and right on I am" instagram likes.

I've just remembered a Teletubbies episode I saw when my Kids were little almost 20 years ago which I felt was a bit much at the time and am now wondering if it were the start of this breaking down boundaries. It was the filmed section of real people dancing in a Community centre to a song called sth like 'Shake Yer Bum Bum'.
This stuff is everywhere it seems. I even took my DC to Avenue Q without realising the content.

All this chat re: (the very different) phenomenon of mother and baby film showings and now I’m starting to wonder if Baby Peep Shows and Baby Porno Cinema will be Queer Theories next frontier?

We’ve already escalated from Drag Queen Story Hour in a public library to Bondage Themes and Pole Dancing in a Thong with Booze and Queer Theory’s entire thing is about transgressing boundaries and the normalisation of what was previously taboo…

So what’s the next stop for the Exposing Little Kiddies to Adult Entertainment train?

And have The Very Cool Mummies ever thought about what the Last Stop at End of the Tracks might look like?

Re the people who say in response to this stuff "if you don't like it then don't go" is that it becomes increasingly difficult to avoid.

Yes people can choose not to take their own small children along to these safeguarding nightmares but we are at a point where some idiotic nursery/school/brownie pack will decide to invite these performers in whilst being in loco parentis and not tell parents. The first you'll hear about it is when little Jimmy starts talking about leather thong man swinging from the ceiling in morning assembly.

“I am a responsible parent so I would not allow my two-year-old son to watch a 15 film but my daughter is too young to take it in. She does not watch the films, she is either sleeping or eating.”

I'm not buying it. You can see in the photos the kids are sat at the front of the mat looking at the performance, they're not in another part of the room.