Caba Baba Rave - take your baby to watch nearly naked men in fetish gear

[Clymene]

Journalist Dominique Samuels has posted video of one of their events: https://twitter.com/dominiquetaegon/status/1630948003962912768?s=61&t=gd6tu0Iz6JpyKXGLWMLGjg

Which features men gyrating and hanging from the ceiling surrounded by a crowd of clueless women and their babies.

I would say it's NSFW but it's apparently safe for babies so have a watch.

Here's a reddux article:

https://reduxx.info/uk-sold-out-rave-for-babies-featuring-drag-queens-prompts-outrage/

Since the video went viral, the company has taken down its website and Facebook and made their Instagram private. I wonder why?

The argument that it's no different from watching a grown-up film with a toddler or baby is rather spoiled by the fact that the actors in a film aren't getting a paedophilic thrill from seeing a baby or toddler watching them.

I find the argument that the mothers didn't find it titillating rather pathetic. I can't imagine anything more cringeworthy than going to a strip show of any kind, but when men pay up money for a strip club or a lap-dancing club they do so in the expectation that they will be turned on by attractive women (or sometimes men) providing them with a service. Women going to this were going to #bekind and validate the stripper fantasies of a bunch of ordinary-looking gay men dressed like sex-clowns. The women are still the ones providing the service. It just seems like another way of ripping off women's female socialisation. Men wouldn't pay to attend something like this unless it catered specifically to their desires.

I’m disappointed the AMA was pulled, there were some really thought provoking responses and I thought OP was largely engaging in good faith, as much as I couldn’t see where on earth she was coming from.

@ArabellaScott nodding along with yr post. I think the individual consolidation that activities like this are just 'harmless fun' exists because of a more general shift in boundaries. Societal grooming as you say.

Thing is, over the years many of us would have supported this drive. Availability of the pill, sexual liberation, gay liberation, gay marriage... all drove/ necessitated a change in attitude for greater good. For Gen Xers like myself, figures pushing back against this, Mary Whitehouse and such, were seen as ridiculous and woefully out of touch.

So we get a v convincing narrative of progress, validated by changes we have witnessed across our lives. Add to that the shift towards short term thinking, instant gratification mindset that has exploded in the same period (particularly last 15 years or so with smartphones/ social media but in a general state of existential uncertainty, climate change, lack of job security etc). It creates a paradox where we delegate long term thinking to the narrative of progress as we are consumed in a feedback loop of instant gratification. Basically we have got quite lazy with critical thinking. And groomed into this state.

Concepts of safeguarding are more difficult to grasp because of this short term thinking. And anti-collectivism. We're not joining up thinking on a macro level. Even on an individual level we are somewhat blindsided. Safeguarding a baby is understood as "they are happy in the here and now. They are not crying. Their needs are met. They are asleep and unaware. They won't remember" For that individual baby that is most likely true. It was a nice, fun afternoon.

So yeah, I agree with you that ultimately the bigger picture stuff is more worrying.

If it was really useful, I wonder if Mumsnet would consider reinstating it but with the OP's User Name changed to "Anonymous"?

She said at the start she's name changed to start the thread - so it was a username for that thread only.

I can't see why it was deleted - she could have just left the thread and name changed back to her usual posting name.

I also don't think it was a pile on either.

Yes. Once “progress” has become the new religion, anything and everything can and will be pushed onto us.
Plenty of useful idiots act as self-appointed whips to deliver us into the “anything goes” utopia.

Just to point out that Everything Everwhere All At Once was rated 15 by the BBFC with "strong violence, sex references, language".

On a related note, as a film buff, I've been feeling for years that films now rated 15 would have been an 18 "back in my day". Very hard to quantify, but I think the introduction of the 12A rating was a turning point. The BBFC explain this step in the context of Spider-Man here: www.bbfc.co.uk/education/case-studies/spider-man I recall kids crying in the cinema at the end of Spider-Man- it was really quite violent towards the end.

I’d be traumatised if I was ambushed with that scene and I’m pushing 40…

I don’t think this is new. The big pornographers like Larry Flint and Hugh Hefner sought to push the sex industry into the mainstream. Playboy was marketed as a coffee table magazine. Dads would leave them around for their daughters to see. The tabloids, starting with The Sun, had topless women every day, specifically for providing men with their daily wank material.
Then you also had all those communes in the 60s, 70s and 80s with ‘progressive’ ideas about sex and coupling. Women were shamed for being ‘jealous’, ‘frigid’ or ‘prudes’ for not being up for living in men’s sexual playground and being treated as toys.
Just 10 years ago, there was a pretty successful pushback against constant blatant demeaning sexual representations of women where ever you looked.

On Keep Sweet, Pray and Obey on Netflix, you can see how a society gets groomed and parents hand their own daughters over to be sexually abused as a way of bargaining for their own increased social standing.

It’s always going on. There’s always an appetite for-

1. Men to get off - to gratify their strong sex drives.
2. To bring about cultural change to create opportunities and contexts for men to get off in whatever way that does it for them - to gratify their strong sex drives.

1. To create marketplaces, advertise, create demand, provide supply and get filthy fucking rich - to exploit the gratification of men’s strong sex drives.

Women, children - families, protecting innocence, really gets in the way of this machine. This machine does need women and children though- as the product itself, to supply the men’s demand.

Laws and norms are a big hinderance, but they can all be changed.

You just need to change what feels normal and acceptable with a little propaganda.

And the sad thing is that some women collude with it. Would so many women have been OK with Fifty Shades of Grey if it had been written by a man? I was watching the programme about the murder of Grace Millane last night and her murderer referenced it as if it was evidence that women liked rough sex.

Generally this slow lowering of boundaries is happening everywhere. We recently watched a movie with our teen DDs Everything Everywhere All the Time and overall it was wonderfully acted w/ strong older women leads...
HOWEVER
it had scenes with giant swinging dildos and men landing their naked asses on buttplugs.
DH and I had to turn it off for DD13's sake, and older DD 18 said privately to us, "she probably knows what those are." DH 50ish said, "I'd never heard of a buttplug until maybe 10 years ago." Neither had I. Call me a prude all you want...despite my having many sex partners before meeting DH at 32.

I saw on-line reviewers who also pointed out Dom/Sub stuff in background that we missed but yes many were asking why is all this there. It was a brilliant film overall and took huge effort on a budget to get made but it does sort of show how the Overton window has been shifted.

I read a lot and a lot of different types of books but post 50 shades many ordinary romance books started having stuff like this as normal and last few years YA books have clearly been influenced by trans/many gender stuff and it's all rainbows and unicorns never the problems.

I never read 50SOG, but it was a sexual fantasy, not what women wanted in real life.

My belief is that men want to act out their fantasies in a way women don’t. There are men who pay prostitutes to nail their scrotum to a plank. Women just don’t let the fantasy take over like that. A friends of mine reads “mucky novels” but it’s not like she wants to live them out.

These male dimbos and their handmaidens project male intent onto women and girls. It’s a sign of living in a patriarchal society where the male perspective is the default one like this.

50 shades of grey was appalling to read, and not because of the content, which was in itself dire, more because she is a terrible writer!

I never read 50SOG, but it was a sexual fantasy, not what women wanted in real life.

I'm sure the fact that it sold in huge numbers has sent the message to some men that BDSM is a massive turn on for a lot of women. I'd love to know if there was an increase in 'rough sex' being used as a defence in murder cases since 50SOG was published.

I never read 50 shades - but I did notice an effect on writers and books I did read post it - so it had a wider effect on industry which is only now dying out.

I never read 50 shades either so can't comment on whether the writing was dire! But I remember finding it odd that friends found it 'hilarious' that their elderly mother was reading it. It did feel like boundaries were being broken and not necessarily in a good way. Like if you didn't want to read it you must be a prude.

I read it because it was zeitgeisty and I’m not averse to a spot of literary sex

i can confirm the writing was dreadful and I didn’t find it even the tiniest bit arousing

but yeah, it was a fantasy. Women I know who loved it would never tolerate in real life the behaviour exhibited by the nut job leading man

but yeah, it was a fantasy. Women I know who loved it would never tolerate in real life the behaviour exhibited by the nut job leading man

But would it be viewed differently if it had been written by a man?

I just want to #bekind about the writer 😂

In all fairness, it was never her intention it would be a novel. I believe she started out writing the fantasy online in instalments under a pseudonym for a community she was part of. It took off hugely and she was a bit embarrassed by the fact she doxed herself getting it published. I don’t think she is a ‘proper’ writer.

I never read the Marquis De Sade. Has anyone else? I know Camille Paglia wrote in defence of it.

Possibly not, but I doubt she regrets the money!

Exactly.

Pass

the cliche is that a lot of romantic fiction is written by men

I suspect that’s not true though. I think it would be a rare man who could write a sexual fantasy that would capture women’s imaginations in the way 50SOG did

sexual fantasies written by men tend to leave me even colder than Christian Grey

I have tried to read the marquis de sade

it was frankly alarming to the point where I stopped

and I loved The Story of O

No, I've never even tried to read the Marquis de Sade. There's enough sexual violence in real life, I don't want to read about it as well.

I agree. Whenever I read a book written by a man with a sex scene in it, it always gives me the ick.