Scotland PIE and LGB research thread

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I wanted to research how PIE was eventually exposed as a child abusers lobby group and how it went from being influential and widely endorsed by groups such as Liberty and even feminists such as Harriet Harman, etc, to being reviled, quashed and the word ‘paedo’ becoming synonymous with child abuser.

I started with Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paedophile_Information_Exchange and my hairs stood on end, when I discovered right away that “PIE was set up as a special interest group within the Scottish Minorities Group” and “in 1969, it was the country's first LGBT rights organisation.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outright_Scotland and both were founded by Ian Dunn. This suggests that historically in Scotland, gay rights activism and child abuser lobbying have been very closely entwined.

The reason for the uncanny feeling, is because, on reading Trans Britain, I was disturbed to discover that James Morton joined a group of activists who had lobbied for amendments to the Sex Offenders Bill 1996 (around the age of consent) and called themselves The LGB Equality Network. This group strongly pushed the T at the expense of safeguarding.

Also, the fact that LGBT Youth Scotland (established in November 1989 as the Stonewall Youth Project by members of the LGBT community in Edinburgh.) has such a culture of child [redacted word which rhymes with looming]
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4703808-comes-with-a-content-warning-reduxx-exclusive-two-survivors-allege-they-were-groomed-sexually-exploited-by-staff-at-scottish-lgbt-youth-charity I get the strong sense that the links aren’t so tenuous, when we ask ourselves “was James Morton just doing the bidding of sex offenders?”.

I can't understand why there is not more noise in Scotland about LGBTYS

The whole thing stinks

And yet the left wing press and political parties have their fingers in their ears.

The thing is, I was to know how to push back against the safeguard destroying trans activism out there and was looking for the example of how PIE were stopped. But maybe they literally are the same players as PIE?

There's plenty of information on MN. E.g., John Hein of PIE is a good search term and should bring up an interesting rooftop photo of Hein and some leading figures.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3755189-PIE-again

Thank you

Still looking at the Wikipedia page it says:

Public protests and reactions
Once the guests of the hotel where a PIE public meeting was to be held learnt about the event, they cancelled $2,500 worth of hotel room reservations and physically threatened the manager, who was also faced with a walkout by the angry staff.[26] The PIE members have also been subsequently pelted with rotten fruit and vegetables by "angry mothers"[27][9][28] and needed protection from the police.[29] The far right British National Front also protested in front of PIE's conferences in the 1970s.[30]

Anyone get the feeling that this is how our current pushback is being framed?

@RethinkingLife ive just started looking at that thread and feel like throwing up

Well well well

Hein heads Pride Scotia, whose rallies have previously enjoyed the corporate sponsorship of the police, the NHS and the Scottish Prison Service.
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/scottish-daily-mail/20140621/281681137957838

John Hein was quite the character. The Herald wrote about him quite a bit, going back to the 1990's. His address in Montgomery Street was used in some kind of money laundering scam.

Patrick Harvie accepted an Ian Dunn memorial award. Few people would want to accept an award named after a founding member of PIE. Makes me wonder why the Scottish Greens are more enthusiastic about self ID than environmental issues.

Just don't understand why The Times or Telegraph haven't written more about this.

Yes. It’s in plain sight and it isn’t even hiding

Did we mention James Rennie?

”PIE members have also been subsequently pelted with rotten fruit and vegetables by "angry mothers"[27][9][28] and needed protection from the police.[29] The far right British National Front also protested in front of PIE's conferences in the 1970s.[30]”

The parallels are astonishing. I wonder whether the mothers were blamed for the presence of the BNF.

Police protection for past perverts due to the throwing of rotten fruit is a long way from the current police persecution of women for simply using transblasphemous language.

But maybe they literally are the same players as PIE?

Its easy to forget that an organisation like PIE (or the BNP) can be dismantled but the individual members don't disappear into the ether. Those people don't lose contact with each other, and their core values don't change.

I agree, think the same tactics are being used. I also think that the players are as much organised financial criminals as they are/were sexual criminals. As usual following the money might be the way forward. I don't suppose anyone knows where Derek Donaldson ended up?

I''m shocked at this. Why isn't this better known?

Here's a little treasure trove of info. The photograph (taken in 2012) of Jo Swinson, Patrick Harvie and others with John Hein appears to be missing,I wonder who asked for that to be removed.

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1199762771820367873.html

Glinner tried to write about this and got a polite note asking him not to speak ill of the dead. I also find it intruiging that someone with an interest in corruption and money laundering got bullied out of the Green Party.

Some of those photographs have been deleted. I’m sure I was able to seem them a couple of hours ago.

[A]nd both were founded by Ian Dunn.

Of course, Peter Tatchell wrote Ian Dunn's obituary...:
www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/obituary-ian-dunn-1151494.html

This archived copy is from three years ago: archive.ph/r15Q2

Just plugged a few key words into Google and found that it’s not just Mumsnetters who are poking around in what’s left of John Hein’s footprint…

The posters on this Rangers’s supporters forum have been discussing him recently too:

www.followfollow.com/forum/threads/celtic-face-threat-of-multimillion-pound-compensation-claim-the-times.75621/page-871

(I picked up on the thread from page 871 onwards so the thread title may not be very relevant!)

I have no idea how I wasn’t aware of all these grooming paedo bastards circling the Celtic FC boys teams (which the FC claims was a ‘separate entity’ 🤬)

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/bombshell-abuse-dossier-includes-names-26529791

8 convicted paedos, 3 more awaiting trial - potentially another 20!

What does Nic know?

At least 3 decades of abuse, some of which timelines up to James Morton coming out as trans and making contact with the founders of the first Glasgow Pride…