Keir Starmer confirms Labour will push ahead with self ID (7th Feb 2023)

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Despite everything that has happened over the past few days;

Ben Bradshaw
''A warm welcome for @ Keir_Starmer as he recommits to reforming the UK’s out of date gender recognition process at tonight’s @ LGBTLabour @ LGBTHM
reception in Parliament''

twitter.com/BenPBradshaw/status/1623032232284721189

If you look at the big picture according to best available evidence, improvements in trans rights go hand in hand with improvements in women's lives.

That is the reality. That is the uncomfortable fact for people on FWR.
People can point out anecdotes all they like, the reliable and robust big picture statistical evidence is that improvements in trans rights go hand in hand with improvements in women's lives.

People entrenched on both sides view this as a zero-sum game. They could not be more wrong.

In the words of JKR - citation needed. Let's have the evidence, proper peer reviewed evidence @suggestionsplease1

I would like to see the GRA repealed — a shifty, dishonest bit of legislation, apparently passed as a sop to those who wanted same-sex marriage. (Though I don’t know anyone who would change their gender in order to marry.)

If not repealed, it should be amended to make clear that none of the concessions to trans people outweigh women’s single-sex rights or child safeguarding issues

Please sign this petition to update the Equality Act to make clear the characteristic ‘sex ‘ is biological.

This would make it easier for organisations to provide sex-based, safe, and dignified services and spaces for girls and women without the fear of law suits on the basis of ‘legal’ sex counting as sex - which in practice allows for any man to be included.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243

Please sign this petition to update the Equality Act to make clear the characteristic ‘sex ‘ is biological.

This would make it easier for organisations to provide sex-based, safe, and dignified services and spaces for girls and women without the fear of law suits on the basis of ‘legal’ sex counting as sex - which in practice allows for any man to be included.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243

People can point out anecdotes all they like, the reliable and robust big picture statistical evidence is that improvements in trans rights go hand in hand with improvements in women's lives.

Define trans, define rights.

What statistical evidence?

Who are the women whose lives are being improved? Where?

You aren’t even suggesting causation, just vaguely implying correlation, without even supplying evidence if that.

Thanks ScrollingLeaves, have signed.

Slothtoes · Today 16:38
Thanks ScrollingLeaves, have signed

That’s great. It would be so good if it gets the 1000,000 signatures before 20th April as then the Government will consider a debate.
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243

I wonder how the evidence of emerging scandals will play with Starmer? He has a reputation for presiding over an organisation that ignored the abuse of children (the CPS). Presumably being i/c of a political party that ignores the abuse of children must be a very comfortable place for him:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11741849/More-1-000-children-given-puberty-blockers-controversial-Tavistock-gender-clinic.html

How is Keir this dense?

Even TRUMP gets it!

How is he this dense? He's made a calculated decision that "trans rights" will reign supreme. He didn't do what women do and look behind the surface to keep ourselves and children safe.

He's a man so he took at face value all the males with AGP who insisted they just wanted to pee with women. He believed that the same actors in the trans activist groups innocently wanted to share the joy of their transitions with everyone's children in schools. And accepted that removing women, our language & single sex spaces was a small price to pay to include the stunning and brave white males everywhere they wanted to be.

@MrsOvertonsWindow i think your paragraph here about sums it up sadly:

He's a man so he took at face value all the males with AGP who insisted they just wanted to pee with women. He believed that the same actors in the trans activist groups innocently wanted to share the joy of their transitions with everyone's children in schools. And accepted that removing women, our language & single sex spaces was a small price to pay to include the stunning and brave white males everywhere they wanted to be.

The Head of Stonewall said he was "having conversations" with Starmer and it's interesting that he used exactly the same language as Sturgeon for the prisons issue.

Starmer's aware. He has just made the calculation that it's politically expedient to ignore the issue in public.

He also indicated that he'd left the Tories for Labour.
My guess is it's yet another deal done behind closed doors as seen in the Denton's report. Two influential men ignoring the grooming and gaslighting of mainly vulnerable girls (as exposed in the Times today) in favour of their mates and their desires.

MrsOvertonsWindow · Today 20:32
.My guess is it's yet another deal done behind closed doors as seen in the Denton's report. Two influential men ignoring the grooming and gaslighting of mainly vulnerable girls (as exposed in the Times today

Yes, government by Stonewall.

If you look at the big picture according to best available evidence, improvements in trans rights go hand in hand with improvements in women's lives.

how? How will allowing males into female spaces improve womens lives @suggestionsplease1 ? How will letting males compete in womens sports benefit women? Which women? Will in benefit women in Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan, Uganda, China?

So one less option when I’m choosing who to vote for.

If you look at the big picture according to best available evidence, improvements in trans rights go hand in hand with improvements in women's lives

It takes some cheek to write this hand in hand shit.

Are we supposed to believe this gaslighting bs that pretending men are women improves womens lives or what.

What actually is hand in hand?

Mitigate Kier Starmer’s proposed self -ID by updating the Equality Act to make clear the characteristic sex is biological, not sex as modified by a GRC.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243

I was just checking in to see if @suggestionsplease1 had provided the evidence for this fanciful assertion but, as usual, answer came there none.

...as usual, answer came there none.

Well, that's because, as we all know, there is no such data.

I live in the vague hope that once, just once we'll get the answers to the questions, the evidence and the data @SinnerBoy it's not much to ask but it never happens.

Political parties seldom garner votes from policies that voters are vehemently against.

Why would they push for self-id if it would cause a defeat at the polling station?

Given what seems to be the opinion of most people on this forum, I'll just throw this in to create some balance:

lgbtiqa.greenparty.org.uk/2021/02/07/a-brief-history-of-transphobia/

@ooo er…. Um…. What is that supposed to be? Shall we do a brief history of the misogynistic, sexist, abusive gender ideology next?

What are you going to post next? A history of the evilness of the anti gun lobby published by the National Rifle Association?