Keir Starmer confirms Labour will push ahead with self ID (7th Feb 2023)

[Thelnebriati]

Despite everything that has happened over the past few days;

Ben Bradshaw
''A warm welcome for @ Keir_Starmer as he recommits to reforming the UK’s out of date gender recognition process at tonight’s @ LGBTLabour @ LGBTHM
reception in Parliament''

twitter.com/BenPBradshaw/status/1623032232284721189

Yeh shocker

Not

Yes but he said 'regorm' and all parties agree it needs 'reform'.

Nothing has actually been said - except by you @Thelnebriati !

Go back to basics and look at what problems the original legislation was aimed at solving.

And think about which of those could still be issues today and what legislation would be proportionate to address them.

Given we now have same-sex marriage, if we scrapped the whole idea of people being able to change their legal marker M to F or vice versa, but kept something along the lines of the anti discrimination legislation, what issues would that leave that needed covering? (NOT a rhetorical question).

Well I've voted SNP for years and won't be at the next election off the back of this. There must be more like me.

Thank you for saving my typing energy.

Thank you for the link - 6pt drop. Given how high profile the furore was, it will be interesting to see if that is the start or end of any vote share change.

Doesn't matter what he says, Tories are desperately pushing the notion Labour are going to bring in self-ID at every opportunity.

I'd say it's pretty vital what he's said. If Labour keep talking about reform without any specifics of course people are going to assume this means self ID.

What other reform would they be talking about?

Given we now have same-sex marriage, if we scrapped the whole idea of people being able to change their legal marker M to F or vice versa, but kept something along the lines of the anti discrimination legislation, what issues would that leave that needed covering? (NOT a rhetorical question).

Its a sensible question, but we don't have Starmers ear.

He was the one that shouted at Rosie during the Westminster GRR debate right?

(and Oily Moley shouted at Miriam)

Oh, he’s reading the room all right. It’s just that the room he’s reading is full of idealistic young Labour activists who think TWAW.

Same problem they had in 2019. Policies that are popular with the party activists prove to be electoral poison with the voting public.

Yes presumably some but this issue doesn't make it into the top twenty.
The polling will move if it is deemed important by large numbers of people.

Unfortunately, it wouldn't really surprise me if this issue doesn't really move the needle on polling. First of all, many people iare sick of the Tories and would prioritise voting them out. Secondly, despite recent events, many people are either oblivious to current affairs and/or are tribal voters. Thirdly, I suspect that many people who are aware of the issue are of the opinion that women aren't fully human but are merely partially-sentient support bipeds and therefore don't need privacy, dignity or safety.

The Tories also say it needs reform. Every party says it needs reform, don't they?

I never thought this would be the hill I'd have to die on.

Funny that there is currently another thread running asking why people continue to vote Tory…. This is probably one of the reasons why… there’s no good alternative!

True! Should have said read something other than the Guardian Kier!

Tories election strategists will be delighted

What you describe would be a worthwhile exercise. But do you really think this is what Labour are talking about when they talk about reform. Trans activists would have a complete meltdown. Stopping people from changing their sex markers would be considered to be "genocidal rolling back of trans rights". Also if this is the position that Labour are going to take then they need to make it clear so we can stop considering voting for the Tories are the next election.

If it comes to it, then I'm sure we will manage to make peace with it.

It may take lots of alcohol and hard drugs, but we will!

It would be handy to know exactly what he said. A photo of a meeting isn't much use

It's had an impact on my voting intention, for sure.

It's quite possible that GR reform does not equal self ID.

Do the Tories say it needs reform? They've already done what they consider to be reform by reducing the payment to £5 and putting the process online. Have they said they intend to go further?

I think that he feels that Labour are so far ahead in the polls that it won't make a difference. He could be in for a shock. Or not. This is in the headlines at the moment because of what has happened in Scotland. Wales are also trying to push forward the self-ID agenda.

If things continue to get worse in the UK then self-ID could be minimised at the next election. You can see it on here. Many times posters will say that there are more important issues to be concerned with.

I am hoping that we have reached a turning point but I am not convinced.

Well if it doesn't then he should probably say that and quick. After all us rights hoarding dinosaurs need to know