This is very important to read for all parents

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I know it's the daily mail but this is very important about a man who talks about his journey. It's really good reporting for once! It's about his trans journey and de transition. Counselling and mental health support is vital for all..

I'm de-transitioning and blame 'woke' culture for influencing teens mol.im/a/11691635 via dailym.ai/android

What a surprise.

Another ignorant post that ignores the substance of what OP was intent on highlighting.

If you read the piece, Oli is 33.

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fairysimples · Today 10:40
How is this relevant to every parent? It's not relevant to me - my kids are all adults?

It could be relevant to you if you were altruistic about other parents with affected children, whether adult or young.

It could be relevant to you if your adult children have children of their own - your grandchildren.

Just catching up on this thread.

That being transgender is some kind of “woke” contagion that teenagers are picking up from social media. It’s absolutely classic transphobic propaganda.

It seems you are the one who is out of touch here.

Dr Marci Bowers also believes that there is social contagion involved here.

Oh... don't worry. It has been reported in more than the Daily Mail. Just search for it.

Here is a link to start you off so you can then use the right search terms. But you are now directly contradicting the president of WPATH, a gender surgeon, and someone who is a transitioned male themselves.

Also look up Dr Erica Anderson. Also a gender clinician with many years experience. Also someone who is trans.

But please. Don't let facts and experienced voices get in the way of your attempt to shame others and frame this thread as being 'transphobic'.

Then again. Amazingly, almost every one is now transphobic after this past week. Robin White, Nicola Sturgeon, Peter Tatchell.... again... don't let reality get in the way of your own prejudices.

feministlegal.org/president-of-leading-trans-org-admits-social-contagion-is-driving-surge-in-kids-identifying-as-transgender-the-post-millennial/#.Y9jyWS-l0kg

No. You are bowing out because you have nothing but emotional manipulation that you have used to attempt to shame people.

And I think you realise that.

That is true in some ways. I am sorry to hear that you are struggling with it all.

However, as a parent with a child that is vulnerable and has had their friend group where out of the seven of them as 14 year olds, five declared trans identities, I can assure you that this very relevant to many other parents.

Particularly those who have only just started to try to understand what is happening in their children's daily lives.

Can I ask how he made a load of money out of it?

Do you think that is how he paid for all the surgeries? I could never quite work that out. But I also never thought that an unknown person as he was would make much from selling their story.

But then I wouldn't be the parent I would be the grandparent?

And if it was just altruistic then why would it be only relevant to parents?

Amazing that we have to explain it to you...you will be the parent of the parents who will be struggling....will you not care about your children when they have children of their own?

For those who won't click on the Reddit links to read the testimony of mislead adolescents and therefore avoid acknowledging social contagion and it's horrific consequences, here's just one example:

I have such a bitterness towards some of the biggest trans youtubers. Convinced me that if i transitioned my gender dysphoria would go away, I'd be happier, I could get a girlfriend that'd accept me, that society would see me as a regular man. They don't speak about the horrors of srs and if they do they brush it off "yeah they fucked up my phalloplasty and I have a fistula, my first graft developed necrosis so another spot had to be selected, I have arm hair growing on my shaft, I can't empty my bladder properly, the pump in my fake balls stopped working, I have little sensation, and they're currently taking a graft from the inside of my cheek to build a urethra that may or may not fail, and I have no idea how any of this will age down the line but i have zero regrets and my audience of 13 year old girls should strive for this too"

If giving a shit about this makes me a transphobe then I'll own it with pride.

Or.... it is a very real issue that impacts on a very wide range of areas of everyday life and occasions that are, hopefully, rarer.

Do you honestly think that your dismissal of this with "trans is the new version of communists hiding under beds" is convincing when many parents of teenaged children or of adults are facing some very difficult impacts. Teenaged girls are simply not going to the gender neutral toilets in their schools and therefore are dehydrating themselves or ending up with infections. Teenaged girls have been told they have to accept a male in their communal changing room in some school.

And that is just teenaged girls.

Shall we point out how it was through people dismissing it that we now have the situation of Adam Bryson, a two timed rapist, spending some time in a female prison while the prison service assessed their sentencing requirements. And we have young women coming out and telling their stories about that individual being abusive in their college and that they were told they had no recourse and had to strip off with him for spray tanning lessons.

"trans is the new version of communists hiding under beds" just sounds like you are either ignorant of the many impacts or you simply took an opportunity to shame people's wish to discuss it, or was there another reason that you might like to share.

@TheBigWangTheory but I wouldn't be the parent?

I'd be the grandparent?

I can't vote as it's on my phone but YABU. If you think this is essential reading for all parents then you are insane.

I would cross that bridge if it ever became an issue. I don't think it's essential reading for all parents.

And I don't get the "don't you care about anyone else" comments - the post is specifically directed at all parents. Not everyone in society. And I still don't think it's essential reading.

I can't vote I'm on the app.

@Tandora

No. YOU are being ignorant. The OP wishes to discuss an issue which is becoming more prevalent.

YOU are burying your head in the sand and insulting the OP because you assume her view is different to yours and you wish to cancel her opinion.

I read this article before you posted it. Occasionally the dailymail addresses issues that the rest of the media ignores.

At the very heart of this story is mental health issues. This person mutilated their body because they thought it was something they should do as people were pressuring him and he wasn’t happy in himself.

This isn’t the first story I have read. It is a real issue. There are so many people out there with mental health issues and they are vulnerable to this sort of medical intervention.

A Daily Mail rant against 'woke culture'. Wow, can't wait to dive in.

Shall we all agree then that it is important reading for any parent / grandparent / legal guardian of:

Any child under the age of 18.
Any child above the age of 18 that is vulnerable and might be susceptible to the influence of others. This can also include adults who have significant mental health issues or challenges.

Because we also know that children in care (without parental influence) are particularly over represented in the numbers who are registering for care for gender dysphoria.

And maybe, people who it doesn't then impact could be mature and scroll on past the thread.

And those who don't consider it important reading could explain why, outside of the standard, 'I am alright Jack, it doesn't impact me so it is not important'.

Why do I have to explain myself?

I don't agree that it's important reading for every parent, as per the title of the thread.

It doesn't affect me or my children. Or my grandchildren.

If and when it does I will - if necessary - research then. Not before. I have enough to be concerned about right now and I don't have the mental resources to take on any more.

It is a trope to apologise for reading any article in the Daily Mail. It is rather a pity people are so insecure in themselves that they feel they need to signal embarrassment or they could be accused of something dreaded.

For some time the Daily Mail has dared to mention articles in the news related to transgender ideology that other mainstream media will not because of internal censorship by its proponents. This is less so than it used to be, but the Daily Mail can be a useful source of information.
You just have to put up with its less elegant style.

And the title of the thread gave no clue as to what it was about.

Maybe the op should have indicated clearly the subject matter in the thread title?

I worry about the children of people who think the Daily Mail is important, good reporting.

And yet, you continue to quibble about it. The OP has admitted that they might have worded it differently.

You don't need to keep telling people it doesn't impact you so you don't think it is important. Whatever it is that you are attempting to do.

Do you or do you not think that this might be important to other parents?

If not. Please tell me why? Why is this not important to me as a parent of a vulnerable teenager?

And what do you wish to achieve with your posts?

ArmWrestlingWithChasNDave · Today 11:41
I worry about the children of people who think the Daily Mail is important, good reporting.

You miss the point that it is sometimes the only reporting. So it is good in that it at least isn’t absent.

Do you worry about the children who see nothing wrong with how the BBC treated Jenni Murray of Woman’s Hour? Or the children of those reading newspapers like the Guardian who have been refusing to publish certain stories because of internal censorship?

I'm just commenting on a thread?

Isn't that what all of us are doing ?