This is very important to read for all parents

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I know it's the daily mail but this is very important about a man who talks about his journey. It's really good reporting for once! It's about his trans journey and de transition. Counselling and mental health support is vital for all..

I'm de-transitioning and blame 'woke' culture for influencing teens mol.im/a/11691635 via dailym.ai/android

She was quoting the headline if you read it.

AIBU isn’t really the place for this, it would have done better on the feminism boards.

I believe OP is quoting the headline. Seems unreasonable to criticise her for that, yeah?

I clicked through and read.

This Oli person is someone I've not encountered before but he seems very unwell. He seems to have been really affected by negative experiences about his physique and looks and has turned to social media influencing to gain validation and an audience from what I could gather.

It's almost like he's constantly chasing that "high" of being relevant.

I didn't like the constant blame of Harry Styles and Timothy C (can't remember the name).....not because I have any great love for Harry Styles but I just don't think he's doing anything out of the ordinary. His fashion choices always seem to have been done before, he seems to have some weird 70's vibe going on, so I don't think it's fair of Oliver to blame the likes of HS.

It's a weird article, interesting but did seem to me like he's now chasing the next spotlight high.

If you watch a bit of the interview with him he does seem to have had a breakthrough that none of this surgery has succeeded in making him happy. Now he is intending to live as a man but without further surgery to alter the feature feminisation he underwent.

I think he’s non-typical trans in that his plastic surgery obsessions was well underway before he decided to transition, but sincere and valid nonetheless.

It is a very real worry that a lot of gender identity ideology is embedded in schools often through their outsourced PSHE resources even in primary schools. Autistic children can be especially vulnerable .
(See Safe Schools Alliance or Transgender Trend.)

Thanks for posting the article, OP. It is such a terrible position for someone to find
themselves in.

I wonder if anyone here would be interested in signing this petition which is about updating the Equality Act 2010 to make clear the protected characteristic “sex “ means biological sex, not sex as modified by a ‘gender recognition certificate’.

You can read more if you click on the petition.

It is a parliamentary petition and anonymity is guaranteed.
To sign
⬇️
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243

I voted YABU because this is the same person who made a load of money out having plastic surgery and going round telling people that he was South Korean and Jimin from BTS I would take it more seriously if it was about someone who doesn’t do things unless it helps to keep him relevant sorry OP but your trying to drum up sympathy for someone who’s whole career is based off media attention and your helping to feed into that.

I didn't like the constant blame of Harry Styles and Timothy C (can't remember the name).....not because I have any great love for Harry Styles but I just don't think he's doing anything out of the ordinary. His fashion choices always seem to have been done before, he seems to have some weird 70's vibe going on, so I don't think it's fair of Oliver to blame the likes of HS.

I completely agree with this. Harry Styles and Timothée Chalamet are 'prettier' than many men - naturally so - but as far as I am aware, neither has expressed a desire to be a woman, and both are straight. When I was growing up a lot of men in the public eye wore make up and clothes that could be described as feminine: in the early 80s, and I'm thinking of Duran Duran. Just as an example. Straight men wearing make up and feminine clothes. None of us were under any illusion as to their gender.

I'm surprised people are still so committed to dismissing social contagion as a phenomenon worthy of attention and further investigation. Even Marci Bowers, a transwoman who performed Jazz Jennings surgery has conceded that it may have contributed to the rising number of referrals to gender clinics.

www.nationalreview.com/corner/a-significant-concession/

The detrans subreddit now has 43k members, here is just one person's account, anyone with any compassion would have wanted this young women to get better help when she needed it.

www.reddit.com/r/detrans/comments/10ppl18/where_do_i_go_from_here/

And this should give any parent pause...

www.reddit.com/r/detrans/comments/10p5yi0/r_u_surprised_im_absolutely_not/

Interesting that you find race appropriation to be an issue.

What about his appropriation of ‘woman’ and his use of ‘feminine’ stereotypes to claim he is female like the rest of us?

Do people in aibu not have children?

Anyone with a child with autism, or who does not conform to rigid sexual stereotypes (tomboys or effeminate boys) or anyone in a particularly woke area with activist teachers in schools promoting gender ideology needs to know about this as their child may be at risk.

Thanks for sharing OP.

Oli London is an interesting character, especially given that he is an influencer.

These threads absolutely should be on AIBU not hidden away on the feminism boards.

If parents AREN'T concerned that children are being influenced to adopt gender identities which potentially lead to them harming their healthy bodies then they should be.

Why on earth do you think something that is harmful to kids should be hidden away on a parenting site?

On another thread someone had posted about a recent court case brought against the NHS gender services for their long delays on the grounds they were discriminating. The judgement went against them.

Grey said NHSE denied discrimination because delays were not a result of the protected characteristic of seeking gender reassignment but due to “rapidly increasing demand and limited specialist services”

rapidly increasing demand……….. are we to believe something has happened to human DNA and more and more people are now being born with the wrong body for their brain?

One of the cases involves a young boy who came out of lock down believing he is a girl, and very upset by his pubescent body. How many more like him are there I wonder whose young bodies were cooped up for two years, unused, in front computers pumping them full of gender ideology or terrifying them in other ways?

Exactly - many people on Mumsnet are completely obsessed with the issue. There are far more pressing concerns out there.

Grey said NHSE denied discrimination because delays were not a result of the protected characteristic of seeking gender reassignment but due to “rapidly increasing demand and limited specialist services”

Exactly. Where were all the ‘trans’ kids when we were at school? There were none in my school and none in the other big secondary schools in the area.

Now in certain areas of the country we have teachers reporting up to 70 in one year group!

These certain areas include the places where trans activists are very busy.

The activists attempt to explain this away by claiming greater acceptance and knowledge but in the next breath point to rising levels of transphobic ‘hate crime’ (misgendering and feminist stickers mainly) making trans peoples lives a living misery.

Teenagers throughout the years have looked for their ‘tribes’, there were Mods and Rockers and Emos and Goths, Punks and New Romantics.

They like to feel like they belong to something and also shock their parents. Sadly this is the same for children except that for some it will end with harmful medication, surgery and sterility, all before their brains are fully matured for making such huge decisions.

Do you think that an ideology, promoted heavily in some schools and widely in social media, that encourages children to take medication that will permanently harm their health and lead to sterility and often surgery is not a pressing concern?

We know that hundreds of children have already been harmed by this, how many should we allow?

I know trans is the new version of communists hiding under beds ready to jump out at people or Scooby Doo baddie

OP is asking you to READ and LEARN about something. That is promoting the very opposite of ignorance.

YOU are promoting ignorance.

1. Like what?
2. Who the fuck are you to tell people what they have to see as pressing concerns?

How is this relevant to every parent? It's not relevant to me - my kids are all adults?

And transphobia, but OP'll get a ready audience here. A trans person said it, it's ok!
Bit like 'can't be misogyny if it's a woman saying it'

SallyWD · Today 10:12

‘Mangogogogo · Yesterday 22:15
Do people here ever stop moaning about trans people? Jesus’

Exactly - many people on Mumsnet are completely obsessed with the issue. There are far more pressing concerns out there

I don’t agree with you that indoctrinating children and teenagers with an idea that they may be in the wrong body for their ‘gender’ - which is definitely happening -

and risking setting them on a pathway of puberty blockers, hormones, possible surgery, infertility, poor mental health and physical health,

not to say public organisations manipulating language to remove meanings and promote the ideology, as though we lived in a totalitarian state,

is ‘not a pressing concern’

It is a very pressing concern.

Blimey.

Have you actually read Oli's story?

This is a massive wake up call for all sorts of things. This is a man who became addicted to plastic surgery. He lived in Korea and the surgeons never once questioned him. He spent hundreds of thousands of pounds on his surgeries.

He is clearly a vulnerable man.

He was shamed terribly last year for declaring himself 'Korean' because he had a round of surgery to make his features more Korean. Because he thought it would make him happy.

He was shamed because he was completely unaware that you can declare yourself a woman and be celebrated. Declare yourself Korean and have the surgery and you are branded as all sorts of things that may or may not be based in any truth at all.

He was lined up ready to have some of the most extreme cosmetic surgery and he stopped and re-evaluated his entire life.

YES this is a story that should be told.

YES it is relevant to parents.

YES it is relevant to parents of trans children.

Why? Because who can possibly think that this man's story is any different? That he was not influenced heavily by the same things, the same kind of groups and social media. And was enabled.

They have kids but apparently not a lot of maturity.

What on earth does being against the promotion of harm to people have to do with ‘transphobia’ against trans people? Absolutely nothing. Most of the people causing harm are not even trans themselves.