This is very important to read for all parents

[Yingyamgwingwen]

I know it's the daily mail but this is very important about a man who talks about his journey. It's really good reporting for once! It's about his trans journey and de transition. Counselling and mental health support is vital for all..

I'm de-transitioning and blame 'woke' culture for influencing teens mol.im/a/11691635 via dailym.ai/android

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ok. So no actual engagement.

Good to know.

It's not so much even the transitioning and detransitioning.

What he said that was the most important was that he realised he still wasn't happy. He had go to back to his roots and find out who he was.

I feel like this message is never given out enough to young people. It never was when I was young either and I had to find it out myself the hard way.

No amount of money or looking good or items will ever fill the void inside. It takes you and only you to sit with yourself and be OKAY with who you are. If you stay true to yourself and not what society thinks you should be, you will find happiness a lot earlier with yourself.

Whether this means you do find out you are actually trans. Or if you are attracted to a similar gender. Or still play sims 4 at 36 like me because I enjoy the fantasy genre and we get told it's childish to play games.

Just be yourself and keep being yourself. And you will never be happier. You will also okay being alone because you don't need someone to fill the void either because you're feeding it yourself.

I have engaged? Just because you don't like what I'm saying doesn't mean you get to say I'm not engaging. I've explained when, and under what circumstances, I'd research it. Why isn't that enough for you?

Essential - for me - is evidence based not anecdotal.

It's really not important for all parents. This affects a vanishingly small number of people and anybody who feels at all concerned can look into it.

"No amount of money or looking good or items will ever fill the void inside. It takes you and only you to sit with yourself and be OKAY with who you are. If you stay true to yourself and not what society thinks you should be, you will find happiness a lot earlier with yourself."

This is the crux of it all though.

Before Oli was transitioning, he has admitted he was addicted to cosmetic surgery.

Because he lived in a country where there is a great deal of cosmetic surgery available and being done. As he said, he had friends who were getting surgery to remove the features that are defined as 'undesirable' that are part of being Korean. So, he just assumed he could go the opposite direction. Because he was immersed in that particular cultural aspect of living in Korea.

And the surgery was being done with little consultation.

The entire story is of value.

However, it is actually rapidly increasing.

And it is rapidly increasing in the adolescent age category. 4000% increase in girls registering for clinics.

That is just those registering. I know of nearly ten teenagers who are not registered at clinics but have socially transitioned. And this is just people I socially know. Two have had their official school records changed without their parents consent. One at 12 years old. One at 14 years old.

Why would anyone think that number of children registered at clinics represents anywhere near the true numbers?

I read a wide variety of newspapers, often just to see how differently the stories are presented. You don't need to pity my children 😂.

Interesting way of dismissing personal experience. What do you call “evidence” on this subject.

Hilarious that you think you need to educate me on trans issues. And while you are the one promoting harmful ignorance against a marginalised group of vulnerable people, I am the one with prejudices? There’s only one of us who needs to educate themselves here, and it’s not me.

The idea that talking about these issues is promoting harm plus trotting out the tired 'marginalised' cliche shows you definitely need educating to bring yourself up to date.

MN's version of the satanic panic

Yes it's all just 'hysteria' 🙄

JustAnotherPoster00 · Today 19:36
MN's version of the satanic panic

Please will you explain satanic panic? I don’t know about it.

How does satanic panic relate to self -identification as trans in Scotland and the Equality Act?

What is its relationship to physical harm to people from surgeries and hormones?

Tandora · Today 18:09
And while you are the one promoting harmful ignorance against a marginalised group of vulnerable people

Please would you explain on what ways transpeople are marginalised? They are protected under the Equality Act and transwomen, have even been favoured by being given precedence over women in many instances.

So much preference has been given to transpeople that words have been even been removed to support illusions of gender to the extent of becoming ludicrous.

Do you think transwomen are more marginalised than women prisoners?

”Hilarious that you think you need to educate me on trans issues.”

Well, if you consider me telling you that you seem to be ignoring the President of WPATH’s statement and that of another highly experienced gender clinician as an ‘education’, you either have a very low bar on what counts as education, or you are trying to dismiss what I have posted without actually reasoned discussion. Or both.

And that is hilarious. I agree.

“And while you are the one promoting harmful ignorance against a marginalised group of vulnerable people, I am the one with prejudices?”

I am not promoting ‘harmful ignorance’. What I am promoting is people reading widely, not dismissing sources because of their own prejudices. I would say that is the opposite to what you accuse.

And I know very, very well just how vulnerable these children and young people are. I know it very well indeed.

Hence why I read widely and I consider a wide range of studies, expert opinions and not stick to ideological thinking.

But do continue with your attempts to shame anyone who does want a discussion. And who does think that Oli London’s experience is relevant and important to consider. Because you are very convincing.

”There’s only one of us who needs to educate themselves here, and it’s not me.”

Laughing though that you think this was me ‘educating’ you. That is wonderful.

It’s not a “cliche” to say trans people are marginalised, it’s a fact. There’s nothing wrong with talking about trans issues, there’s something very wrong with posting sensationalist articles which promote ignorance and transphobia.

There’s nothing wrong with talking about trans issues, there’s something very wrong with posting sensationalist articles which promote ignorance and transphobia.

Still got no idea of how this article promotes ignorance and transphobia.

You don't seem to like reality. The reality is that detransitioners exist. The reality is that children are being influenced into believing they have trans identities. The reality is that clusters of teenage girls are putting themselves on pathways where the end game is infertility and double mastectomies. The reality is that many of the children who get swept up in this are autistic or otherwise vulnerable. The reality is that a powerful political lobby group has influenced organisations to allow males to access single sex spaces and has influenced schools to the point that schools are socially transitioning children, sometimes without consent.

It is quite something that such a 'marginalised group' has such a powerful organisation behind it. In the US a Dillon Mulvany managed to get an audience with the president after a mere 200 days of 'being a girl' he's now gone on to have extensive facial surgery not disimilar to that the Oli London had. This is an industry. A harmful industry. Harmful to children and women.

I'm sick to the teeth of hearing about trans people being vulnerable and marginalised as a fucking excuse to harm children and remove women's rights.

thecritic.co.uk/neither-marginalised-abused-nor-vulnerable/

unherd.com/2022/01/the-truth-about-trans-murders/

Still got no idea of how this article promotes ignorance and transphobia.

Indeed lifeturnsonadime.

It is almost like a number of posters don’t want people to read a detransitioner’s story. Like they might be scare of others reading it and discussing it. Trying to understand how this man got to this point by reading this article, and watching his interview.

To me, the ignorance is the attempts to stop people reading about him. I don’t know where the transphobia is.

I suggest if there is transphobic posts, please report them. Because the mods will quickly delete it. Transphobia is not acceptable.

I mean I hardly know where to start with this.

I’ll just say simply this: there is nothing wrong with having a mastectomy or being infertile if you don’t want breasts and you don’t want biological children. You don’t need to relate , some people are different to you. Difference is ok.

I’ll just say simply this: there is nothing wrong with having a mastectomy or being infertile if you don’t want breasts and you don’t want biological children. You don’t need to relate , some people are different to you. Difference is ok.

So it's OK then, in your opinion, for young autistic girls to be the largest proportion of human beings who are being socially transitioned to this outcome, as demonstrated by the Cass review? I can tell you that as a parent of an autistic girl that that if that IS your view it's fucking disgusting.

And we can't talk about detransitioners?

The more sunlight on what is happening here the better.

If you as an adult have made the decision to have an elective mastectomy and are happy with that decision then good for you. But don't you fucking dare say that we shouldn't be alarmed about what harms 'genderism' is doing to children and women.

I have no problem reading stories about de transition. I am familiar with many. There’s nothing wrong with transitioning and there’s nothing wrong with detransitioning and nothing wrong with discussing either phenomenon. I have a problem with isolated and sensationalist individual stories being exploited in service of promoting fear and panic about trans people. It’s ironic you are apparently so interested in transition stories. I suggest you go explore more widely - and not just follow those that are promoted in the daily mail to stoke up fear and hatred.

don't you fucking dare say that we shouldn't be alarmed about what harms 'genderism' is doing to children and women

And you claim not to be transphobic? Right. It’s like in the 80s when all that “ideology” about homosexuality was harming all the innocent children, and we had to implement section 28 , isn’t it?

“Promoting fear and panic about trans people” what are you on? Really important stories for young people considering transitioning.

You sound very confused.