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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sturgeon getting an absolute grilling on Channel 4 News

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dunBle · 30/01/2023 19:36

I should imagine the clip will be doing the rounds on twitter shortly if it's not already, but their Scotland correspondant Ciaran Jenkins did a really good job in a brief interview with her when she was on a tour of a TV studio today. Raised the issue of Katie Dolatowski, and got her quite rattled trying to get her to justify her comments about transphobia and racism. Should be on about 8:15/8:20ish if you want to watch it on C4+1

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howmanybicycles · 02/02/2023 23:21

IcakethereforeIam · 02/02/2023 21:51

I'd wouldn't be at all surprised is Isla sues. He might be as genuine as any other tw. He might go penis inversion, have himself gelded, the whole lot. He'll still be a man though. He still has no business in women's single sex spaces, with or without a GRC. If the law says different then the law is an ass.

I kind of hope he does because it further highlights the misogynistic house of cards which Sturgeon and her comrades in the anti-womens rights movement have built. If you can be a TW because you say you are and TWAW then he is a TW and should be in a women's prison. If you don't agree with that, stop pandering to aggressive males who are getting off either literally or metaphorically on women's pain.

Datun · 02/02/2023 23:43

howmanybicycles · 02/02/2023 23:21

I kind of hope he does because it further highlights the misogynistic house of cards which Sturgeon and her comrades in the anti-womens rights movement have built. If you can be a TW because you say you are and TWAW then he is a TW and should be in a women's prison. If you don't agree with that, stop pandering to aggressive males who are getting off either literally or metaphorically on women's pain.

Me too. The issue needs forcing.

Sturgeon is wriggling her arse off just over the issue of whether he's 'truly trans'.

it's my understanding that relentlessly misgendering can constitute the crime of harassment or malicious communications.

if she's refusing to 'correctly gender' him, maybe he has a case. I'd certainly like to see him try and force it.

justasking111 · 03/02/2023 00:03

Been doing some more reading. Sturgeon and her husband have really done a number on the SNP haven't they.

CaveMum · 03/02/2023 07:37

@ArabellaScott i should have archived a copy, as when I read it last night there was definitely no mention of the topic. I read it 3 times to make sure!

Either that, or I’m going mad! Take your pick 🤣

ResisterRex · 03/02/2023 07:53

I didn't see it either

SinnerBoy · 03/02/2023 20:21

So, send a threatening tweet to Sturgeon and you're (quite rightly) up before the beak:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11710973/Man-70-guilty-threatening-assassination-Nicola-Sturgeon-online-post.html

But threaten to decapitate TERFs, send vile threats with pictures of weapons, threaten to rape, with a picture of your penis. Meh.

What's the difference here?

GailBlancheViola · 03/02/2023 22:40

What's the difference here?

Well quite @SinnerBoy same as what is the difference between a sign saying Behead Infidels and Decapitate Terfs?

DameMaud · 03/02/2023 23:43

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 02/02/2023 16:13

Crikey, Oldfriend you have a very dominant Inner Beryl!

You should find a way to shut her up a bit rather than merrily inflicting her on other women.

Some of us have worked hard at shaking off the wet-blanket of female socialisation, we aren’t going to put it back on because your inner martyr doesn’t like the tone of our language.

Set yourself free from the burden of pandering to the penis-people, it’s only ever a one-way relationship, you give, they take.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3412053-Mumsnet-FWR-Guide-to-De-Programming-Yourself-From-Self-Harming-Kindness

I wasn't on MN at the time of this thread. It's great!
I'm going to read it to my shrinking, but still vaguely nagging, inner Beryl.
If I had daughter's, I'd share it with them.
Not linked especially for me, but thank you for putting this up here Nic!

Rainbowshit · 04/02/2023 00:08

SinnerBoy · 03/02/2023 20:21

So, send a threatening tweet to Sturgeon and you're (quite rightly) up before the beak:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11710973/Man-70-guilty-threatening-assassination-Nicola-Sturgeon-online-post.html

But threaten to decapitate TERFs, send vile threats with pictures of weapons, threaten to rape, with a picture of your penis. Meh.

What's the difference here?

twitter.com/scotnational/status/1621495171136225280?s=46&t=ttUsOPAYG7FKfIzWeXf9mg

Ooft look at all the tweets under the Nationals tweet about this story!

Sturgeon has really fucked up with this gender bill.

ResisterRex · 04/02/2023 09:45

Female officers having to strip search a male on front page of Daily Record:

twitter.com/tesswhite4ne/status/1621778337428344833?s=46&t=8S7AE1cM9cxC0PN42knxzQ

twitter.com/tmorrowspapers/status/1621629156730486786?s=46&t=8S7AE1cM9cxC0PN42knxzQ

Emotionalsupportviper · 04/02/2023 10:13

Rainbowshit · 04/02/2023 00:08

twitter.com/scotnational/status/1621495171136225280?s=46&t=ttUsOPAYG7FKfIzWeXf9mg

Ooft look at all the tweets under the Nationals tweet about this story!

Sturgeon has really fucked up with this gender bill.

Interesting that the picture of the National's front page has Willoughby quoted as saying "It was like being at a hanging - mine"

I'm sure that when I saw Willoughby's comments on his experience the expression he used was "lynch mob". Much more emotive.

It's almost like The National knows how vile and inappropriate that remark was.

SinnerBoy · 04/02/2023 10:17

@Rainbowshit

From Jayne:
That's horrifying. I hope they go to prison for a long time, they're not safe to be allowed near the general public. I also hope the violent thug threatening to decapitate women in the photo with SNP MPs/MSPs receive a similar prison sentence.

I'm sure that we're all in complete agreement with Jayne.

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 04/02/2023 10:59

This is so good!

I’m certain that the best way to defeat trans ideology is to poke fun at it.

Not at (potentially vulnerable) trans individuals caught up in it, but at the concepts.

And laughing at the supposedly grown up, (non trans) politicians who repeat the absurd mantras and are made to look extremely foolish when they can’t explain or justify any of what it is they’ve been saying is perfect.

Sturgeon getting an absolute grilling on Channel 4 News
Emotionalsupportviper · 04/02/2023 11:06

I agree, @NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom . They fear mockery as much as they fear having to present a reasoned, fact-based argument.

Every bully does.

Circumferences · 04/02/2023 11:28

Why did the non-binary person cross the road?

Tricyrtis2022 · 04/02/2023 11:33

Go on...

Boiledbeetle · 04/02/2023 11:34

Circumferences · 04/02/2023 11:28

Why did the non-binary person cross the road?

Come back...we want the punchline

GCAcademic · 04/02/2023 11:34

I’m certain that the best way to defeat trans ideology is to poke fun at it.

I’ve always thought that the whole thing would come to a crashing halt overnight if middle-aged women en masse started to declare themselves to be trans. I bet having a trans identity wouldn’t be so cool if your menopausal mum, or your frumpy aunt were also identifying as trans.

Johnnysgirl · 04/02/2023 11:38

Boiledbeetle · 04/02/2023 11:34

Come back...we want the punchline

I was feeling a bit thick there, because I didn't get it. Thank God it's not obvious 😂

Shelefttheweb · 04/02/2023 11:44

Johnnysgirl · 04/02/2023 11:38

I was feeling a bit thick there, because I didn't get it. Thank God it's not obvious 😂

I might have this completely wrong - but I think the joke is one of those unsolvable ones where the question itself is the joke? The answer for the chicken is ‘to get to the other side’. A binary state which cannot apply to a nonbinary person.

I will feel even more foolish when someone explains how wrong I am though 😂

Johnnysgirl · 04/02/2023 11:45

Shelefttheweb · 04/02/2023 11:44

I might have this completely wrong - but I think the joke is one of those unsolvable ones where the question itself is the joke? The answer for the chicken is ‘to get to the other side’. A binary state which cannot apply to a nonbinary person.

I will feel even more foolish when someone explains how wrong I am though 😂

Oh, that makes sense.

Circumferences · 04/02/2023 11:46

Tricyrtis2022 · 04/02/2023 11:33

Go on...

< Said in pirate voice and pointing >

There be gold in them there hills!

Boiledbeetle · 04/02/2023 11:46

GCAcademic · 04/02/2023 11:34

I’m certain that the best way to defeat trans ideology is to poke fun at it.

I’ve always thought that the whole thing would come to a crashing halt overnight if middle-aged women en masse started to declare themselves to be trans. I bet having a trans identity wouldn’t be so cool if your menopausal mum, or your frumpy aunt were also identifying as trans.

I think had the GRRrrrr Bill not been stopped the women of Scotland would have been doing exactly that to show how stupid it was.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 04/02/2023 12:17

Shelefttheweb · 04/02/2023 11:44

I might have this completely wrong - but I think the joke is one of those unsolvable ones where the question itself is the joke? The answer for the chicken is ‘to get to the other side’. A binary state which cannot apply to a nonbinary person.

I will feel even more foolish when someone explains how wrong I am though 😂

I was thinking aong the same lines..

"Non-binary people don't need to cross roads, they are on both sides at the same time"

/wanders off to consider the parallels between quantum physics and gender identities...wave/particle duality, spectrums and binaries, and the state of a thing being dependent on the observer...

OMG12 · 04/02/2023 13:00

FlirtsWithRhinos · 04/02/2023 12:17

I was thinking aong the same lines..

"Non-binary people don't need to cross roads, they are on both sides at the same time"

/wanders off to consider the parallels between quantum physics and gender identities...wave/particle duality, spectrums and binaries, and the state of a thing being dependent on the observer...

Well if you stick it in a box, is it dead or alive? Or is it bigotry to say the cat can only be dead or alive? It’s the simultaneous ly both.

it’s irrelevant (except to the cat). Once you open the lid everyone can see it’s dead or alive, the cats experience becomes nothing more than a figment of its imagination