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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

'Breaking' - Transgender rapist won’t be imprisoned in Scotland’s all-women jail, Nicola Sturgeon tells MSPs

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zaramysaviour · 26/01/2023 12:53

Excellent news.

And Sturgeon has really shot herself in the foot here (again). Because if she really thinks 'trans women are women', why is she not allowing this 'woman' to go to a female prison?

So therefore she knows this person is not a woman.

So therefore she is being transphobic...

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HighWindows1 · 26/01/2023 12:54

Oh my...

SuperShe · 26/01/2023 12:58

She best get her armour ready - the mob will be out with their prick axes

highame · 26/01/2023 12:59

The backlash must have been profound for NS to come out with this because up until now TWAW and Westminster nasty

amaryllis134 · 26/01/2023 12:59

she said rapists shouldn't be held in a women's prison.
What I think she meant to say is that men shouldn't be held in a women's prison.

bellinisurge · 26/01/2023 12:59

Hope the TRAs rip her to pieces. For shame putting women through this. The victims had to call that bastard she. Women in the prison had to go through the ordeal of him being in his proximity.

Beamur · 26/01/2023 12:59

(Getting the popcorn out)
How do you explain this to the Greens Nicola?

AllThingsServeTheBeam · 26/01/2023 13:00

amaryllis134 · 26/01/2023 12:59

she said rapists shouldn't be held in a women's prison.
What I think she meant to say is that men shouldn't be held in a women's prison.

This

zaramysaviour · 26/01/2023 13:00

Forgot the link!! (Sorry - am currently in NZ and it's late here...)

www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/transgender-rapist-isla-bryson-scotland-cornton-vale-women-prison-nicola-sturgeon-b1055798.html

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MidsomerMurmurs · 26/01/2023 13:01

Beamur · 26/01/2023 12:59

(Getting the popcorn out)
How do you explain this to the Greens Nicola?

Won’t somebody think of Maggie Chapman?!?!? This is going to be so traumatic for her.

Hoppinggreen · 26/01/2023 13:01

House of cards, hopefully about to come tumbling down.
Who would have thought Nicola was an evil TERF?

Lottapianos · 26/01/2023 13:02

'Because if she really thinks 'trans women are women', why is she not allowing this 'woman' to go to a female prison?'

Well, precisely. What an utter disgrace Sturgeon is

GCMM · 26/01/2023 13:02

Great and now is the time to keep the pressure on Sturgeon. Either she really believes in gender self ID or she doesn't. If she does (and she has said for a long time that she does), then this rapist belongs in a women's prison. If trans women are women ( again Sturgeon has said for along time she really believes this), then this rapist belongs in a women's prison. Politicians can't have it both ways and can't pick and choose who they believe. People either are who they say they are or they're not. Which is it, Nicola?

Cherry60 · 26/01/2023 13:02

amaryllis134 · 26/01/2023 12:59

she said rapists shouldn't be held in a women's prison.
What I think she meant to say is that men shouldn't be held in a women's prison.

So why did she and s majority of others vote for exactly that??

zaramysaviour · 26/01/2023 13:03

I woke up today absolutely FURIOUS on checking the news.

Now I am feeling a sense of sweet, sweet schadenfreude.

It's very late here, but I'm staying up to make popcorn.

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yestheyhavethesamedad · 26/01/2023 13:03

Did she say they won't be held in a womans prison or they won't be held in cornton vale ?
As im concerned about wording , corton vale is due to close in the next month or so and all female prisoners moved to other prisons , so is this rapist being moved with the female prisoners or being moved to barlinnie ?

MountainWitch · 26/01/2023 13:03

This convicted rapist is currently on remand at Cornton Vale though. He needs to be re housed immediately. Ugh.

MountainWitch · 26/01/2023 13:05

yestheyhavethesamedad · 26/01/2023 13:03

Did she say they won't be held in a womans prison or they won't be held in cornton vale ?
As im concerned about wording , corton vale is due to close in the next month or so and all female prisoners moved to other prisons , so is this rapist being moved with the female prisoners or being moved to barlinnie ?

Where are they being transferred to?

MagpiePi · 26/01/2023 13:07

This rapist started transitioning while awaiting trial. I wonder why?

According to NS and all the GRR supporters, no man would transition for any but the purest reasons, driven by a deep emotional need, and, the new GRR won't have any impact on any one else, but will only be a bit of admin allowing the most vulnerable members of socieyy to live and die in dignity, as their true selves.

SidewaysOtter · 26/01/2023 13:07

she said rapists shouldn't be held in a women's prison

I suspect that's how she'll try and save face, by saying it's the 'rapist' element that excludes this individual from a woman's prison and it not the 'transwomen' element.

But still, it will be entertaining to watch if the TRAs turn on her. The Graun will just be glad they've got a new target after yesterday's "YOU WROTE LGB, WHY DID YOU LEAVE OUT THE TQ+???!!!" howlings.

<sets out deckchairs> Have a seat. Popcorn, anyone?

BlackForestCake · 26/01/2023 13:08

Yesterday, they had a bad policy.

Today, they have a bad policy that gets reversed if – and only if – people kick up enough of a stink about it, but that reversal drives a coach and horses through the justification for the bad policy that they were pretending to believe.

yestheyhavethesamedad · 26/01/2023 13:08

@MountainWitch being transfered to other prisons temporarily whilst awaiting the building of a new womans prison in the summer , on the same site as cornton vale

RoseslnTheHospital · 26/01/2023 13:09

But... under the bill that the SNP passed, this person could get themselves a GRC and then would be automatically placed in a women's prison as they would then be regarded as a legal "woman", to be treated in all ways as a woman. Or is that not the case? So why the need to assure the public that this person won't and wouldn't have ever been housed in a women's prison?

MagpiePi · 26/01/2023 13:09

SidewaysOtter · 26/01/2023 13:07

she said rapists shouldn't be held in a women's prison

I suspect that's how she'll try and save face, by saying it's the 'rapist' element that excludes this individual from a woman's prison and it not the 'transwomen' element.

But still, it will be entertaining to watch if the TRAs turn on her. The Graun will just be glad they've got a new target after yesterday's "YOU WROTE LGB, WHY DID YOU LEAVE OUT THE TQ+???!!!" howlings.

<sets out deckchairs> Have a seat. Popcorn, anyone?

...and it is wrong to conflate the GRR bill with this case, apparently. Two entirely unconnected issues.

There is a lot of waffle about each prisoner being risk assessed which is nothing to do with gender ID.

nauticant · 26/01/2023 13:10

What I think she meant to say is that men shouldn't be held in a women's prison.

What I think she meant to say is that special men should be held in a women's prison unless it was politically convenient for her government for some of them not to be.

EmpressOfTheSofa · 26/01/2023 13:12

This has to be the beginning of the end, surely?

‘Trans people are who they say they are…except that one’. Make it make sense.

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