'Breaking' - Transgender rapist won’t be imprisoned in Scotland’s all-women jail, Nicola Sturgeon tells MSPs

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Excellent news.

And Sturgeon has really shot herself in the foot here (again). Because if she really thinks 'trans women are women', why is she not allowing this 'woman' to go to a female prison?

So therefore she knows this person is not a woman.

So therefore she is being transphobic...

If that's one of the stupidest things you've ever heard, you must hang around amoebas in your spare time.

If trans women are women, then rapists with intact penis and testicles belong there if they say they do. They don't and you know they don't and you know why they don't. Because they aren't women.

Women's spaces are there to protect women from men, not to reassure them that people think they're women.

Nicola Sturgeon did not confirm that this rapist won’t be house in a womens prison.

Her exact words were that this rapist will not be housed in Corton Vale womens prison.

Slippery.

NS said he won’t continue to be held a Cornton Vale, where he is currently being held in a unit with women. But not that he won’t be transferred to another women’s prison. Sneaky as always.

Super, whether that was a typo or not it's pure bloody genius.

Thank you!
😂

BBC:

Speaking at First Minister's Questions in the Scottish Parliament, Ms Sturgeon said she agreed with the chief executive of Rape Crisis that it was not possible to have a rapist within a women's prison.
Referring directly to the Bryson case, she said: "It would not be appropriate for me, in respect of any prisoner, to give details of where they are being incarcerated.
"But given the understandable public and parliamentary concern in this case, I can confirm to parliament that this prisoner will not be incarcerated at Cornton Vale women's prison.
"I hope that provides assurance to the public."
The first minister said any prisoner who poses a risk of sexual offending is segregated from other prisoners including while a risk assessment is carried out.
She said: "There is no automatic right for a trans woman convicted of a crime to serve their sentence in a female prison even if they have a gender recognition certificate.
"Every case is subject to rigorous individual risk assessment and the safety of other prisoners is paramount."
The first minister also stressed it was careful that people "do not, even inadvertently, suggest that trans women pose an inherent threat to women", adding: "Predatory men, as has always been the case, are the risk to women."

Because if she really thinks 'trans women are women', why is she not allowing this 'woman' to go to a female prison?

There was a some questioning about this on R4. She said they won't be going to
'cornton vale' women's prison. Not that they won't be going to 'a' womens prison.
Maybe just a reporter being pedantic. Best wait and see though.

''Predatory men, as has always been the case, are the risk to women.'' - interesting. What predatory man could she possible be referring to here?

@NewFriday the bbc article says will not be house in cornton vale , not that they will be housed in a male only prison . I want her to come out and say under no circumstances will this person be housed with woman

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The BBC article also says

"Speaking at First Minister's Questions in the Scottish Parliament, Ms Sturgeon said she agreed with the chief executive of Rape Crisis that it was not possible to have a rapist within a women's prison."

It alson says "Speaking at First Minister's Questions in the Scottish Parliament, Ms Sturgeon said she agreed with the chief executive of Rape Crisis that it was not possible to have a rapist within a women's prison."

Predatory men are a threat to women because they are male and predatory. Two characteristics that could be applied to trans women. It's very odd for NS to suggest that being a trans woman automatically means one can't be predatory. And as many others have said, how does one tell the predatory men from the trans women? This specific trans women conveniently was caught and convicted of being an abuser of women. What about those who are a danger to women, but have not yet been convicted or even accused?

NS said he won’t continue to be held a Cornton Vale, where he is currently being held in a unit with women. But not that he won’t be transferred to another women’s prison. Sneaky as always.

Yes, Rhona Hotchkiss points this out at the end of her interview. It's available to listen again now: www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001hfqz
About 18 mins in.

And the Woman's hour link: www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001hfpy
about 30 mins in.

A couple of thoughts. One, as Rhona Hotchkiss said, we'll have to keep an eye out for where Bryson goes after Cornton Vale, because there are other women's units inside men's prisons.

Two, let's remember that Bryson didn't even have a GRC. The Scottish Prison Service, along with the courts and the police, have decided to treat Bryson as a woman because he said he was one. In a sense, Sturgeon was right to say a GRC doesn't make all that much difference, because Scotland is already operating a de facto system of self-ID. (In other ways, it does make a difference, but here, not very much.)

Three, this seems to be peak-transing a lot of people. This is the first time a story like this has really hit the headlines and got people talking in a big way - and it has exposed the irrationality, stupidity and downright cruelty of gender self-identification. I think Sturgeon may finally have met her Alamo.

Bbbut Nicola, I thought TWAW

I think NS is despicable and so much harm has already been done, but why is everyone determined not to see the bit where she says " that it was not possible to have a rapist within a women's prison."?

Or is there something I'm missing?

The only this is that is the BBC voice, not a direct quote. I don't know if N has actually quoted, verbatim, regarding not having rapists in women's prisons.

She is an awful awful women who is media savvy and who doesn’t seem to get a hard time from even people like Andrew Neil. I haven’t really seen her rattled.

She has just one answer regardless of the question (independence!).

I hope this brings her down. How on earth she didn’t see this coming is beyond me. This scumbag is playing us all.

Nailed it.

Does the law work, or does it not Nicola?

Pick one.

CH going to be closed soon anyway.

I heard that !!

Here is the quote more clearly:

Speaking at First Minister’s Questions, Scottish Tory leader Douglas Ross asked her “should a convicted rapist ever serve time in a women’s prison”.

“in general, any prisoner who poses a risk of sexual offending is segregated from other prisoners, including during any period of risk assessment”.

“there is no automatic rate for a trans woman convicted of a crime to serve their sentence in a female prison, even if they have a gender recognition certificate”.

“Every case is subjected to rigorous individual risk assessment and as part of that the safety of other prisoners is paramount.

“I heard the chief executive of Rape Crisis Scotland say this yesterday – ‘I don't see how it's possible to have a rapist within a female prison’. “So let me be very clear, I agree with that statement.”

www.heraldscotland.com/politics/23278008.nicola-sturgeon-confirms-trans-rapist-moved-male-prison/

God, she isnt thinking of another women’s prison is she? Why doesn’t a journalist ask her that precise question.

Can you show us the direct quote from her?

Sturgeon said this and she always uses the let me be very clear words

“Finally, in general terms and perhaps most importantly, I heard the chief executive of Rape Crisis Scotland say yesterday: ‘I don’t see how it’s possible to have a rapist within a female prison’. And so let me be very clear, I agree with that statement.”