'Breaking' - Transgender rapist won’t be imprisoned in Scotland’s all-women jail, Nicola Sturgeon tells MSPs

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Excellent news.

And Sturgeon has really shot herself in the foot here (again). Because if she really thinks 'trans women are women', why is she not allowing this 'woman' to go to a female prison?

So therefore she knows this person is not a woman.

So therefore she is being transphobic...

Ex scottish women's prison governor talking on R4 at the moment, and saying if a convicted male prisoner who thinks he is a woman is sent to a women's prison, they can't immediately be put in solitary confinement if they are not showing any potentially dangerous behaviour at the time. It doesn't matter that they are a convicted rapist and are thought to be a danger to women in the future. They have to wait until a woman prisoner is harmed before taking any action.
Brilliant! Not

Sex and gender are not the same.

I actually couldn't care less if someone wants to be x, y or z.

Safeguarding is important but it's hard to have a sensible conversation when so many people are just anti-trans and hide behind safeguarding but they're actually bigots.

Oh, Isla should totally stay female. It's Isla's innate gender identity, after all.

Of course, if Isla does detransition once back in the male estate, it's almost like Isla was never really a woman at all...

Nicola apparently said ''I don't see how it is possible to have a rapist in a women's prison".

That's strange, she and her chums seemed okay with this sort of situation just a month ago when they voted against preventing it.

The possibility of sex offenders abusing self id to get into women's prisons didn't concern them at all last month, so why are they bothered by this now?

The link above is well worth a read, btw. It has extensive comments from Graham's former partner:

'"Never once did he say anything to me about feeling he was in the wrong body or anything.

"I have a lot of sympathy for real transgender people, it's a hard thing to live with, but he's just bullshitting the authorities."

Ms Graham said she "fell out of bed laughing" when she saw pictures of Bryson and claimed her transition was a "sham for attention".

She also accused Bryson of being abusive in their relationship.

www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/transgender-rapist-isla-bryson-scotland-cornton-vale-women-prison-nicola-sturgeon-b1055798.html

I'm not talking about safeguarding. I'm talking about biology.

It is, however, hard to have a sensible conversation with someone who jumps to accusations of "anti-trans" whenever biology is mentioned.

Interesting. Do tell us the reason, Nicola.

Bet they're all longing for 2009 when the original post-GRA court case hit that led to this policy; the male rapist and murderer who sued because he was being denied access to GRS as he couldn't 'live as a woman' in a male prison. I wonder if that violent male ever got his surgery.

Im wondering if this has anything to do with the UK Govs guidelines regarding men in womens prisons that came out yesterday. I cant find the article but the list is its on the gov website though

• No tickle tickle
• No sexual offences

There is a cravat that there may be men in women jails under extraordinary circumstances but it will be a case by case reviewed by MP

So what constitutes as extraordinary circumstances and which MP? Because bloody hell there are a few that would happily give them the keys to the whole jail.

And does this mean that if he committed fraud would he be able to go in to womens jail?

tickle tackle**

Fascinating, isn’t it? All this double-think around the issue? I’m happy at the outcome of this particular case but interested how Sturgeon will square it with her recent TWAW comments.

And Karen White.

And Claire Goodier (the dog rapist)

And the rest of them... fairplayforwomen.com/campaigns/prisons/

What’s “tickle tackle”?

I love this. What, can NS have finally realised that no, saying you're a woman does not actually make you a woman and a rapist is an aggressive dangerous male who should be no where near women?

Or has she just realised that what with all the publicity, that's what most of the thinking, voting public think and she's going to be totally shafted if she keeps pushing this shit?

I don't think she will get away with shoving him in with women in a different, mixed prison or some other sleight of hand because the journos and campaigners who are on this will root that out quickly and then she'll just look even worse.

At some point those in charge are going to have to let go of pandering to a nonsense because they've been sold a lie, and realise that saying no to this unevidenced bullshit is the only way. Who thought NS would be the one to lead the way?

I almost feel angrier with Yvette Cooper. It sounds as if her view is that she's going to start calling for women convicted of sexual crimes against other women not to be housed in the general estate. And I can believe there are risk assessments in that situation too.

But they are female. In a sex-segregated system. Less big, less strong, less likely to use weapons, no penis, no ability to impregnate. The thing they won't say. WOMEN.

Who thought NS would be the one to lead the way?

Don’t hold your breath.

This might help understand the reasoning:

"The Scottish Prison Service makes decisions on the most appropriate location to accommodate transgender people in our prisons on an individual basis after careful consideration of all relevant factors, including the risks to and from the prisoner. Those are operational decisions.

Obtaining a Gender Recognition Certificate does not automatically provide access to specific accommodation.

These decisions by the Scottish Prison Service seek to protect both the wellbeing and rights of the individual as well as the welfare and rights of others around them, including staff, in order to achieve an outcome that balances risks and promotes the safety of all."
Source: www.gov.scot/publications/gender-recognition-reform-scotland-bill-more-information/

Oh there’s going to be an uproar and I’ll be sat here with popcorn saying “I told you so”

Because what's worse Nicola, being shouted and and threatened by fantasists with no evidence for what they're claiming whatsoever, or shitting on 51% of the rapidly waking up voting population?

Absolutely!

Exactly.

There is a lot of waffle about each prisoner being risk assessed which is nothing to do with gender ID.

I heard this last night - just a way of passing blame if anything goes wrong to people who did the risk assessment and not her polices.

I'm not sure how impactful this will be though - as I'm sure they'll play it as just this one individual situation and oh look a squirrel!

Such a shame. Never mind.😁

The Scottish Prison Service makes decisions on the most appropriate location to accommodate transgender people in our prisons on an individual basis after careful consideration of all relevant factors, including the risks to and from the prisoner.

If being a man that has raped 2 women isn't bad enough to prevent him being locked up with women, what the fuck do they consider to be bad enough?!

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A women on bbc Scotland news just said he will be transferred to the men’s wing of another prison

the correspondent also said it seems Scottish ministers have been having words withe prison service